Religion Debates and Discussions

based on the evidence you give me (from the bible), it seems VERY unlikely that your god exists

 

This is true. Science never proves anything. The point is to take a large enough sample, so we can confidently say wether something works this way or that way. But certain things, like humans flying, can be "disproved" with such a huge sample, that we can basicly say humans cant fly. These same atheist would agree with this as well. I think you take them a little out of context.

I read trough it days ago after gehenna linked it. What BAWSS5 said was clear from that article even. The article stated something along these lines,

"If there is evidence that does not support the bible, must we " then something about that try to find ways how its wrong and supports the bible. Well this isnt objective and thus not science.

It's actually hilarious how aig uses c14 dating to prove the bible right. As it first says it is not a valid method for disproving it either, which indeed is true. Proving or disproving the bible is outside of the realms of what a tool like c14 dating can do.

 

It is also illogical to assume that God does not exist if you cannot provide proof that that is the case.

There are many passages in the Bible with the written word (of God) inscribed in them. How much of this is actually God's word or one's interpretation of the word is an open question and as such it's not credible for God's existence. What is more credible, I think, is Jesus' teachings as he was sent as the son of God to bring the kingdom of Heaven on Earth. From that one can derive the possible - but not definite - existence of God (thinking on a logical basis here).

 

Time for me to throw my hat into the debate.
I can understand where Socool is coming from. Both theories have potential, and the quantum theory has potential evidence there, as we have seen something created from nothing. It's a possibility, and whether you choose to believe it or not depends on your perspective. I see no evidence for God's existence, and equally see no evidence to the contrary. Whether you choose to believe or not is down to faith, and some have that whilst others don't.

 

@Gehenna_Beam
I disagree with that. Firstly, good is subjective depending on the person. From my perspective, I would say religion could do a lot of evil as well as good. It can save a great many, give someone something to hold on to, or instill a sense of morality in someone. Equally, religion has been the cause of a great many tragedies - death, war, suffering.

 

Religion is like AmPm

To much good stuff

 

The U.S., a "Christian nation", has killed untold millions directly or indirectly in various actions of imperialism over the past 70 years. We also engaged in over 200 years of genocide against the American Indians wiping out around 90% of the population.

The notion that religious or Christian countries do not kill as many people as non religious countries is wrong.

 

@Gehenna_Beam
I'm not sure what the heck you're on about. I never said atheism was all good. I said quite specifically that religion wasn't always good, and that I see it in a rather neutral light. The fact that you instantly jump to it's defence by blaming something else for being bad is simply disguising the truth, that religion has had negative effects as well as positive ones.

 

First off, the population in europe was 50 million back then. You couldnt even have killed 100 million :V But it is indeed true the killings was not on an as grand scale. But what goes for the sovjet killing of orthodox church priests etc, you can not even compare it to the crusades. Most of rest was done off and motivated by completely different reasons.

And as for russian history, you can not really say the killing started there (which you do not say, but you dont say the opposite either ). The untold amount of people who tsarism killed are not any less significant. What I really think you'll find anywhere you look, is one group trying to control another group. Some people do the best they can, some don't. But you'll need faith, not reason, in order to make good people do terrible things. If you can argue doing something and what you do is thus based on reason, is the act as good as the motives. It's just a logical fact.

You could add the nazis, whos hatred of jews was powered by the teachings of the church