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The State of Brawl and Minor Suggestions

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by muslim_vin, Jun 15, 2017.

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Do you want staff to become less strict?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. They aren't strict at all.

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  1. NickManEA

    NickManEA Build JMOD

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    I believe what I want to say has been mentioned above. Staff need to be strict to keep rule-breaking the lowest possible but as suggested above common sense is the key.

    I don't think anything needs to change about the way staff act.
     
  2. oFire

    oFire Well-Known Member

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    Look, not trying to be negative or anything but it has to be said. I'm sick of people standing up for every single little things the staff members say as if it is literally in the Bible. Half of the people replying to this thread will just agree with or defend anything a staff member says, instead of having and using their own opinion.
     
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  3. Trevorsleeping

    Trevorsleeping Active Member

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    i cant express how much i agree with you
     
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  4. 19kss

    19kss 18kss

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    staff = bad
    community = bad
    me = bad
    every single rule except hacking = bad
    agreed with idea 2
     
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  5. Ceyll

    Ceyll Well-Known Member

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    It's because other people who are applying for staff want to make the staff feel good so they have a better chance at staff I think it's shameful.
     
  6. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    You've never seen strict staff, is all I can say. With the needed exception of WarZ, staff are very lenient compared to what I've seen.
     
  7. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I'll just start by saying - staff are strict. I've seen JMods warn for people just saying "eZ" in KitPvP. So @ everyone who voted "The staff aren't strict in the poll" - this is wrong (unless you consider "eZ" a mutable offence...)

    However, I don't think we should blame the staff members who are strict because ultimately, they're following the protocol. In the handbook, there's examples of each rule violation that we should punish for. The handbook tells us to warn for someone saying "Player123 is stupid". These examples are used as guidelines by staff members to realise how strict we should be - and this is very strict in my opinion.

    So, essentially, yes - I do think staff should be less strict. However the fault lies in the protocol - this needs to be changed, otherwise every new JMod we get will see the handbook and be incredibly strict.

    People who break the rules aren't idiots. A lot of the time, people break the rules because they disregard them. People come on Brawl to have a break and enjoy themselves - not to conform to even more rules. Keep in mind that most of Minecraft's community are edgy pre-teens who have the "**** teachers!!!11!" mindset.

    This isn't being strict - this is just straight up abuse. Saying "kms" is not a rule violation at all.

    EDIT: This isn't abuse at all, actually. It used to be against the rules, but it isn't anymore. Sorry for the confusion. On a side note though, this is exactly what I mean by saying it's the protocol being too strict.

    People just don't want to do this, though. As I said above - people don't play video games to conform to more rules.

    God forbid staff members having opinions!

    I love how when it's a suggestion thread for an idea or other feedback, people whine about staff members not responding. When it's a suggestion thread about the staff team, people whine about staff members when they do respond. Make up your mind or stop complaining.

    Surely, if this is a good idea, you shouldn't be worried about people with opinions against the idea posting. If you want them silenced, it just shows you're unable to argue your point, which would end up making this entire thread absolutely useless.
     
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  8. Ceyll

    Ceyll Well-Known Member

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    I like most of it but the bottom, because the strict staff team members not naming any names, but they're going to vote no not strict and then the people who are "wanna be staff" will follow in after them.

    Are you mentally ill, can you not see the staff that mute for no reason??? They may be following protocol but we want to change the handbook itself in a way, because face it most people here are not adults, for crypes sake we're a bunch 13+ year olds. I don't want you to respond, you don't deserve it, you're one of the people I see that is "I want to apply for staff" people.
     
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  9. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Well, they need to grow up. They need to follow the rules or expect consequences. That's how they can grow up, through discipline.
     
  10. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    So by growing up, you expect people to act mature? Why do players need to act mature? It's a game. There shouldn't be consequences of having fun. If that's where we're going, no wonder Brawl is 10% as popular as it used to be.

    Or, perhaps, they just think staff members should continue being strict? Just because they might be sucking up, doesn't mean every single staff member of staff applicant shouldn't be allowed to reply. My list of the top 3 dedicated community members have applied for staff somewhat recently.

    Also, if staff applicants are constantly sucking up to Brawl staff, it's very obvious and I'll call them out for it whenever they decide to apply. Anyone with the common sense to actually get accepted will know that sucking up is nothing but a bad idea.

    You know, putting "Are you mentally ill" is the absolute worst way of trying to make a valid point. In fact, you might as well have not even bothered posting - a response starting with "Are you mentally ill" will just make everyone not take you seriously.
     
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  11. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Am I on that list?
    And yes, Ceyll, after seeing your reason, you got a point. If you had previous, then that's your fault.
     
  12. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    Personally I think the current rule enforcement is fine. If anything we need harsher punishments for things like death, rape, SWAT, and DDoS threats as well as actual DDoS'ing or DoXing. Some of that ****'s illegal lol

    What's strict about warning someone not to call other people stupid? People say, "oh I was just saying this to my friend" how is anyone supposed to know that? 90% of the time, it's not clear whether what you're saying is intended to be flame or just messing around. If you want to mess around with your mates, we've got a ton of social platforms for that. We've got Skype, discord, teamspeak, slack, and so forth. We even have the private chat in Minecraft. And bonus, there's not even a filter!

    Disregarding the rules is a smart thing to do?

    The rules exist to facilitate mutual good times for everyone. Saying "oh well, the rules don't apply to me" is an incredibly terrible attitude to have and people who have that attitude deserve to be muted accordingly.

    So we should accommodate their edginess?

    Oh come on. Rules don't ruin people's fun. It's people's inability to follow the rules that does.

    I read a recent post by someone complaining that they got muted for rape threats after saying "I will rape you in a 1v1" on Kitbrawl. They justified it on the grounds that they were talking to their friend and it wasn't serious. Really? How dumb do you have to be to realise saying "I will rape you" is not a remotely OK thing to say, especially in a Minecraft chat?

    People play video games to have fun. Wonderful. It's a great way to relax. However, there has to be a set of rules to lay out what is and is not acceptable to say/do so that way no one's down time gets ruined by someone who thinks the rules don't apply to them.

    This is just wrong. No one expects players to "act mature". They - meaning - the staff, expect them to follow the rules and not cyber harass people they don't even know on a gaming platform. Hardly unreasonable.

    As for Brawl's relative unpopularity, that has nothing to do with enforcement of the rules. If someone gets salty over a temp mute/ban because they were being an idiot in chat then good riddance. Brawl's been enforcing roughly the same set of rules for years, it's the lack of updates + people outgrowing the gamemodes (even I'm tired of Minecraft by now) that's contributing to the decline.
     
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  13. Droiid

    Droiid Shutdown

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    Being strict is always good, but within reason of course.
     
  14. ACE_BLUE2

    ACE_BLUE2 Sup'

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    Don't understand how it's so easy to get a mute, I guess the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" should be considered a little more.
     
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  15. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I agree with this. Actual DoX is a permban (ban on all of your accounts, cannot buy an unban) and DDoSing people is too, but it's hard to catch people doing this. However, the punishments for threats are no-where near as strict as I think they should be.

    We should start punishing for blatant DDoS threats by permbanning them. This includes any dumb way of trying to hide the DDoS threat such as 4 kids who said the following to try to get away with it:
    Player1: "You're"
    Player2: "O"
    Player3: "f"
    Player4: "f"

    We're giving people a week ban for threatening to send a SWAT team to someone's house, risking their life. That seems a little bit strange.

    It's actually very clear to find out whether or not you should mute for someone, and I've been doing it ever since I became trial JMod on CTF. You PM the person being "flamed at" asking if the other person is just messing around. If they say they are just messing around, it's fine. If they say they aren't just messing around, that's when you deal with it.

    This is slightly different for chat reports, but chances are if someone has reported Player123 for flaming at them, Player123 wasn't joking.

    Either way, yes people can just go on other platforms. However, people aren't on these platforms 24/7 with every single one of their friends. I have 10 pages of /friends and there's no way I could possibly be on these platforms all the time with all these people.

    I'm not saying it's a smart thing to do. But, some people don't play video games to act smart. Some people literally play video games as an escape from everyone's expectations on them of them acting smart.

    That's not really what they are doing, though. Not everyone wants to be mature over a video game and wants to conform to rules all the time. Similarly, if we had a /ignore which actually worked, we wouldn't need most chat rules because we can just /ignore the annoying people.

    There are some people who think that way and think they can get away with anything, correct. However, then there's some people who just don't think the rules should be in place, and don't bother conforming to rules just because it takes away the enjoyment.

    One of the main reasons loads of McPvPers quit their gamemodes when Brawl took over were the strict rules.

    Yes. This is the Internet - we're not going to ever get rid of edgy people who spam L after every kill. With a working /ignore command, edgy pre-teens playing won't be an issue.

    I may be mistaken, but it was actually me who punished for that incident, and it was a 7 day kick instead of a mute. I'm not saying we should just get rid of all rules, but we should be a lot less strict with the rules. Saying "I will rape you" is unacceptable, otherwise I wouldn't have kicked for it in the first place. I just want people to stop being muted for saying "ez" or "**** off" or something.

    If people's time is being ruined by some kid the other side of the world saying "you're trash at PvP", they shouldn't be on the Internet to relax. Especially if we implemented a /ignore command which actually worked (which we've needed for ages now).

    Also, people don't think the rules don't apply to them, people just think that the rules are stupid so they don't conform to them. Of course, they shouldn't be surprised if they get punished for it, but I don't see why people who just disagree with the rules, so don't follow them, are bad people.

    One of our rules is literally "use common sense" - I just consider that another way of saying "be mature".

    Also, I've never said once that we should allow harassment. I've just said we should stop muting for minor things like "you're trash at PvP" or "eZ". Hardly unreasonable either, to be honest.

    My comment on Brawl's popularity was hyperbole if anything. We're muting people for letting anger out, or not acting mature like they have to in the real world. I have to punish people who are just saying things for fun way too often, which is an absolutely terrible mindset. My point is if we apply the "punishing people who are just having fun" to everything on Brawl, the server certainly would be unpopular.
     
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  16. Trevorsleeping

    Trevorsleeping Active Member

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    you couldn't of said it any better <3
     
  17. muslim_vin

    muslim_vin Well-Known Member

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    best paragraph ever made

    @Xelasi
     
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  18. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I got warned (almost muted) for "mini-modding" as a joke a couple months back. It was a joke because there was no way in hell I would ever have been able to get staff, and I wasn't even going for it at the time lol

    I feel staff could be less strict on the mutes, but they need to be strict on the bans in order to keep rule breakers off the server (hackers, etc.).
     
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  19. Xelasi

    Xelasi Well-Known Member

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    Staff handbook could use some clarification. If staff members truly followed by the book, it would be even stricter than it is now. The warn system is better, but training on what is considered mild vs what is considered extreme could be vastly improved.

    I remain really optimistic about the punishment wipe coming up. A lot of people have been really great over the past few months, and I see a lot of opportunity there. I see a few people here as potential staff material.
     
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