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  1. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    I will believe in god the very second he shows me a sign. If he knows this why doesn't he make it obvious for me? Does he not like me?
     
  2. Kelsang

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    In my mind, Jesus was a dude who was a humanitarian but he didn't do anything special.

    What he said^
     
  3. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    You're just too blind. You seemed to be fixated on Earthly passions such as hedonism and materialism.
    In truth, most self-described atheists are not atheists at all. They've simply replaced God or religion with something else. Something they treat with a worship-like fashion or with a great fascination. Perhaps it's hedonistic, materialistic, or even humanistic. A true atheist is a nihilist.
    Tell me, what brings you the most happiness in life, or what do you think about the most?
     
  4. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    I definetly think about my relationships with other people the most. I value people. I can't be too blinded to see Jesus right in front of me.
    If I dedicate my next week to god, put all other things on the back burner will he show himself?
     
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  5. Kelsang

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    No, because "you have to truly devote all of your life to him and serving his kingdom". Another reason would be because he doesn't exist.
    It doesn't matter? We don't "worship" our food/video games/relationships. Most atheists just don't believe in God, it's not that we replace him, but rather that we reject his existence until evidence is shows he is real.
     
  6. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    He's very likely not going to ever actually appear right in front of you. He's never done it to me, but I won't rule it out later in life, and I wouldn't rule it out for you either. God shouldn't have to appear right in front of us in order for us to believe in Him. We maybe sinful, but we're not helpless. We can be smarter than that.
    It's about knowing and feeling His love. You're just too full of sin and darkness to know God's love. You can change, if you tried.
    There's a book. I've never read it myself, but I heard it's really good. It's called "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist".
     
  7. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    no, the "fact" he was gods son but whatever, continue to twist everyones words in this thread
     
  8. SweetLava

    SweetLava The Sweetest of Lava's

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    How about no one gives a crap of whether the other believes in God and instead of wasting precious time on debating on a video game forums on such existence, go put this gift called time to good use. cool.
     
  9. Usp45

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    why are you posting here if you dont agree with it
     
  10. ObamaTheReptile

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    I believe that Jesus existed, but not that he came back to life and saved all of humanity

    Atheist is literally "a," as in not, plus "theist," as in religion. "No religion" is about as literal as you can get, and I think that bsaically every dictionary will back me up on this.
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    - Google
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    As for what matters the most in my life, I've answered this already in previous conversations but I'll say it again:
    I believe that everyone can create their own meaning. Whether it's fame or money that you strive for, or you devote yourself to your art or science or religion, or you care most about being accepted by others and being kind and loved; everyone has their own unique meaning.
    For me, I derive happiness from creating things. I've written and produced a lot of different styles of music, and ever since I was little I loved creative writing, drawing, music, and art in general. For a while, I was amazed with biology and astronomy and physics and math, but they've sort of lost much of their appeal to me as of now.

    In my opinion, it's wrong to try to change someone else's life's meaning just because of what you want yours to be.

    Edit: I do notice that Google decided that nihilism is a synonym for atheism, but I'd disagree with that and say that nihilism includes atheism, but is not necessary for atheism. Like how a square is a rectangle but a rectangle might not be a square. Also, it's pretty far at the end of the synonyms, after even "Doubting Thomas," which I've never even heard, so it's a very loose synonym. Also, all of their synonyms are pretty loose.
     
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    thats not how buddhism works lol

    girls, girls, girls, no need to fret!
    we're all gods in one way or another!
    let us rejoice, let us celebrate in our own disgusting filth! in all of the vomit, piss, snot, blood, and cum we've collected over the years!
    let us undergo tranquility, and enjoy our times on this earth!
     
  12. 19Cameron91

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    Google's definition for nihilism is, "the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless."
    Atheism and nihilism are similar in the rejection of religious principles and the rejection of moral principles associated with certain religions, but atheists don't reject all moral principles. Atheists, like you, don't believe life is meaningless in that you make your own meaning. Sounds great, but in a godless universe, there is no true, universal meaning to humanity's existence.
    A nihilist is probably often thought of as a dangerous person who doesn't play by the rules, an anarchist if you would, and will hurt or kill anyone who gets their way. Now, I believe there are nihilists who do obey the law (for the most part) and will not hurt anyone without reason. These nihilists will make the best for their own lives, and will not perform a widely frowned upon action without thinking whether they will be rewarded or not in the end.
    "If I take this lost wallet in the street, will I get caught and go to jail?" "Killing this kid isn't going to net me a million bucks. I'll just go to jail, so why should I?" "Is there a statute of limitations if I decide to 'have some fun' with this little girl and she decides to turn me in when she's older?"
     
  13. ObamaTheReptile

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    Why does there have to be a universal meaning? From a purely personal-pleasure based thought, I would much rather there be no universal right so I could create my own. Personal pleasure aside, the evidence that I've seen and observed and thought about suggests that there is no single universal meaning and thus I can create my own meaning. A question I have that might be out-of-place or loaded (and I don't intend it to be) is do you find comfort in a universal meaning? Do you feel like it enables you to streamline your life into being more efficient? Or is there some other reason?

    I've met plenty of people who think of themselves as nihilists, and literally not a single one of them would ever think about ****ing a small child, or stealing a wallet, or killing children, or whatever. The most any of them do is drugs. I honestly hope you don't believe that all nihilists are as disgusting as that. Grouping such large groups together into awful people is terrible to do. I understand you aren't saying all nihilists are like that, but to focus on the negatives of that group is pretty insulting. It'd be like me comparing all of religion to the radical Islamic terrorists. The proportions aren't the same, obviously, but the analogy is legitimate.

    It's also extremely important to note that atheists as a whole do not reject the moral principles associated with religion. Atheists just find that those morals arise from things other than religions (again, I've explained by reasoning for this is another place, and I'll find it and paste it here if needed).
     
  14. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    If all I require of god is to see him once and he can't do that for me then he must not give a hoot about me.
     
  15. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. To Christians, the meaning of life is to serve and love God. That is our purpose.
    Let's be clear, before He created the universe, all God had was Himself, even though it seems He was talking to two other individuals, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, 3 in 1. They are not separate, individual entities. If you are having trouble comprehending that, think of a toy that comes apart in three pieces. Those three pieces make up one thing.

    Absolutely not true. He loves you more than your parents do. You're just letting the darkness in your heart do the talking.
     
  16. Gohabsgo

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    If god knows me and loves me than I would hope he would show himself to me because that is the only thing that could save me.
     
  17. 19Cameron91

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    Again, God shouldn't have to do that literally, but He can show Himself though other ways.

    I heard of a medical doctor who was an atheist but became a Christian after just reading the Bible. Nobody helped him. He just picked It up one day and became immersed into It. He has recently done mission work helping people who cannot get medical care in poor countries.

    There is a Christian rock star who use to an atheist and was on the brink of suicide. She was tired of all the evil and suffering in the world, especially after the death of her cousin. She thought to herself, "If God is real, why is there so much suffering in the world?" She tried to go for other religions, but there is no "tangible healing" in any of them.
    On the day she was planning to kill herself, her grandmother tried to get her go to church, knowing there was something wrong with her. She fought her grandmother, but she eventually caved and went.
    When the preacher got up to speak, he said, "There is a suicidal soul among us." Of course, that freaked her out. She tried to leave, but a man standing at the door stopped her and spoke to her. He said, "God wants me to speak to you. He wants you to know that He knows you grew up without an Earthly father and that He can be a better father than any Earthly father. He's seen your suffering and knows the pain in your heart." It's as if God showed up right in front of her. She began to feel God's love.
     
  18. Usp45

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    your grandmother told the preacher idiot
     
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    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    You know, suicidal people aren't going to tell you they're suicidal. So, what? Lucky guess?
    Oh, and I found the video of her testimony.
     
  20. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    I never said it had to be physically but I want him to show himself in some way or another (AKA a sign.) I'm not going to just pick up a book and start bieleving, no, that wouldn't be logical.
     
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