Religion Debates and Discussions

Wow, this is interesting topic!

My question is a very simple question, but- What exactly is the purpose in believing there's no heaven/afterlife, no God, or nothing after we die? I mean, sure I could convert to atheism and live a happy life, but what's the point if after I die, I have nothing, now. It seems kinda depressing... I mean if I were to leave Christianity, I'd at least have to have 2 things:

1) Proof that my God doesn't exist. (Which is hard, because there's clear evidence (not proof) on both sides)
2) Proof that there's something else that I can hope for.

Otherwise, what's the point of living my life? I have bipolar disorder, no job, no money, living in parents house. I see no point to living my life if I am going through all this pain and there's nothing left to live afterwards.

 

because after we die we cant think anymore

sorry you have no moral compass, most people arent like that

 

no it wouldnt lol, all humans (asides from sociopaths) have a moral compass that generally helps them make decisions that wont be directly harmful to others if they cant avoid it.

 

I'm not really bothered to sum up all the evidence against God through the previous 6 pages or so, but when it comes to hope:
You still have a chance to experience the joys and pleasures the world has to offer. Using knowledge and education, a proper job, you can help improve society for the better by improving the lifestyle of others. Get a job, experience the world, understand the world, and try to contribute to make it a better place for all. This is just the goals i'd like to live by.


Also here is my rebuttals that is still yet to be refuted. I posted this on page 22-ish.

Common FAQ
"B-b-but, the bible!"
Okay. There are many facts in the bible proven to be false, and many somehow proven to be true. I don't know about you, but I don't really want to trust information given to me by humans that have not fully developed a true understanding of the world 2016+ years ago.

"We can't see air, but we know that it exists!!! same thing with god!!!"
Don't use an anecdote like this. Air can be tested scientifically so that we can see before our own eyes. We can extract different noble gases from the air, we can test that air has a mass, can be compressed and is part of the reason why our water bottles aren't a vacuum. We can test the properties of hot air (tends to rise, huge factor in air balloons). Can we test God to see before our own eyes? (Don't say "I feel something warm in my heart". That's good to hear, but not enough to convince others.) God may be real, or not. Maybe it's something above human conception.

"Science is flawed and cannot prove anything"
This part ticks me off. Science is the reason you are able to interact with the world on a whole other level than humans thousands of years ago. Before science, you wouldn't even have the luxuries you live with everyday. We have used science to improve our lifestyle.
Take sugar mixed with water for example!
You stir the sugar in the warm water, after a while, you cannot see the sugar anymore, but you can taste the sweetness in the water, right? This proves that the sugar dissolved into small compounds in the water(that we cannot see) , but the properties are still there!

"Evolution is too absurd to believe"
The theory of evolution states that humans didn't pop into existence, but were merely developed from previous species. That is why they concluded we might have developed from apes. Somehow during prehistoric eras, the genes of the apes started to mutate into something.... better. Something that would thrive in the harsh environments in the world, they started to walk on two legs, gained knowledge on how to use tools- and here we might be today.
How is this so absurd? I find "popping into existence by God" to be more absurd.


In conclusion, I'm not trying to prove or disprove the evidence of God. I believe religion in general is a harmonic way of life some people choose to live by because it puts them at a state of peace. I have no objection to that. I am a buddhist myself and I hope everyone finds the life and faith they choose to live by to be happy. I have chosen to believe in science and mathematics to to understand the world while your choice might be different. Either way, we all have to cooperate together to make it a better place.

Please tolerate my essay writing skills, I'm too rusty.

Anyway, continue the discussion without saying "Because He is real and this world will rot in hell for not believing in Him" or "Christianity is the most powerful religion in the world so it must be true!"
Other than that, this is a really sensitive topic and I wish people wouldn't try to intrude on the beliefs of other people. I don't know about you, but I choose to live my life the best I can in an attempt to understand this whole world.

 

you literally just agreed that the bible doesnt provide a moral compass, rather humans do

 

I think you get the wrong idea. Most Atheists aren't nihilists. They don't do everything for their own benefit.

 

In appreciation for life, and you want others to enjoy the experience of life like you. You appreciate that life is limited and you want to make it best for others too.
If I had to decide which person is more kind-hearted between
1. A person that is grateful for the wonderful experiences of life and would rather help others experience theirs for the better
2. A person that helps simply in hope that a divine being is watching.

My choice is 1.
In buddhism, we care more about the intent of helping someone. We don't really believe in God, but we believe that a balanced life can lead to a prosperous one.

 

incorrect religion. buddhism does not believe in reincarnating every time you die. Buddhism believes that if you eliminate desires you will reach Nirvana, an eternal state of peace and happiness.

hinduism is the religion that believes in reincarnation.


@Gehenna_Beam

 

tbh i don't get buddhism but this is what i learned




edit: yeah i guess you are correct

 

so what you're saying is, without religion you'd be an a$$hole? And you have the nerve to call US sinners? lmao

How about doing things just because it's right and it makes others happy and helps society/humanity as a whole? Instead of doing things because you're afraid of Hell. That's not being a good person, that's being a weenie.

this is very good imo. well done 10/10.

The purpose of believing it is that it's true.

Do you want to be lied to your whole life simply because they're nice lies? I mean a little white lie here and there is fine, but it's the basis of some people's entire lives.

Also another purpose is that it makes you live in the MOMENT, in the NOW, instead of waiting and hoping for an afterlife that will never come. This is the only time you will ever be alive, use it pls.

1) Firstly, I don't have to prove he doesn't exist. You shouldn't believe in him unless you can prove he DOES exist. Secondly, there's not clear evidence for creationism. Please provide some if you think you have some.

2) How about just being happy and living your life. If you're depressed at the thought of life without your imaginary friend and imaginary heaven then that's terrible and you should talk to someone about that. But having people lie to you is not the answer and the people telling the lies (preacher, vicar, whatever) are horrible enablers of a serious problem you may have.

 

i did but it contradicts itself amazingly quickly

"i dont do good things just to please god"

"god motivates me to do good things"

what

 

ok can you explain?

You literally said that God ISN'T the main reason you do good things, then you said he motivates you to do good things.
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