Religion Debates and Discussions

By that logic, you should say that the government doesn't send criminals to prison, criminals send themselves to prison.

And while you would be justified in saying that criminals are to BLAME for going to prison you can't deny the force that puts people in prison and keeps them there: the government.

A sinner may do things wrong, they may in your eyes be worthy of Hell, but they cannot send themselves there. Humans are incapable of magic, Gehenna. God is the only being with the power to get rid of Hell, yet he does not, so in my eyes he is responsible for what goes on in there.

Please explain to me again how a child who has never heard of Christianity deserves to suffer for eternity because no one ever washed up on their beach with a copy of the Bible.

Lastly, sure you know that if God spoke to the entire planet, pretty much everyone would listen? I mean for ****s sake it's a massive supernatural event, you cannot honestly claim people would be like "whatever" and keep going about their day. What the fk.

 

So first he doesn't yell down at us because it takes away our free will, but in another post you say that lots of humans would just ignore god and keep living their lives how they want( full of sin etc). Sounds like free will to me.

 

So what you're saying is that people would still have the choice/control to bieleve in god or not? And that they could continue to live life how they want?

 

Me: Can you explain this/can you give evidence of this?
Gehenna: Something moronic
Me: That makes no sense
Gehenna: Something moronic
Me: That still makes no sense
Gehenna: STOP MAKING ME REPEAT MYSELF!!1

I think I'm done with this debate. I started this whole thing when I saw Gehenna's Christian quotes and stuff on his profile page and I'm pleased with how much attention it's got but we're getting nowhere.

There's no point in debating someone who won't use the basic axioms of logic as you do. You can't prove something to someone when your definition is proof is evidence-based and there's is "I feel that it's true" or even worse, an incessant display of circular logic. "The bible is true because it says so in the bible!!"

There's no point in debating someone who, when confronted with new evidence, either completely denies it or just moves the goalposts of the debate. See: Gehenna's views on dinosaurs and evolution.

There's no point in debating someone who can't differentiate between an episode of The Flintstones and real life.

There's no point in debating someone who believes that a child should burn in Hell forever as punishment for a situation they have no control over.

There's no point in debating someone who doesn't understand basic concepts of source analysis, like bias and all the others things I learnt in 8th grade history.

There's no point in debating someone who thinks all scientists are out to get him and that they're all part of some big liberal atheist conspiracy to cover up the truth of creationism.

There's no point in debating someone who has no interest in the truth, if it disagrees with the views he was raised on. See: Gehenna willing to accept all science that can agree with the Bible.

There's no point in debating someone who is so intellectually and mentally handicapped that they do all these things. I feel sorry for you Gehenna, I really do. You've been brainwashed and it sickens me to think that you'll probably live your entire live believing these lies, clinging to a two thousand year-old text and loving an imaginary God more than your own family.

I think we should all look at the example of Gehenna and promise to raise our kids to be reasonable people and not to vote for politicians who let their faith guide them, or who believe in talking snakes and people living to be 600 years old. I'll leave you with a little excerpt from a documentary by Bill Maher about religion that I think sums up the stupidity of it pretty well.

*Bill Maher is interviewing Senator Pryor (D-AR)*

Bill: Do you not think I, and others, should be worried that you are one of the 100 people in the country elected to represent us in the Senate yet you believe in talking snakes?

Pryor: Well, you don't have to pass an IQ test to get into the Senate.

Aight, that's it, I'm done.

 

I'm also done with this, it was fun and all but it should've been over a while ago.

 

see all along ive wanted to just have a debate over teamspeak but i guess everyone is leaving so

 

i hear it often from my christian friends but it's always baffled me because i never understood it.

OK LOL I JUST READ THE GUY ON AN ISLAND **** OR WHATEVER AND THAT IS FUNNY AS ****

HE GOES TO HELL BECAUSE HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER KNOWING GOD/JESUS EXISTED?

AND HE SOMEHOW SENT HIMSELF THERE?

BRUHHHHHHHH LOL

atheism =/= communism
mexico for instance, or albania...

you used the same argument over and over and when asked a question that contradicted with your argument you would propose something completely irrelevant and/or something prejudiced. that is bigotry, my friend.


although i'd like to say it was fun reading this. sad to see most of these people apparently stop, was fun to learn what life is like through a die-hard christian's eyes as well as a lot of atheist's eyes.

 

Damn, I thought I had gotten people a little bit more on track with the whole "don't be a dick and debate like a real human being" thing but I guess not

I can't say I'm surprised that a debate about religion turned into such a ****show, though

 

Actually I'd like that... Anyone else keen?

I feel like maybe we can understand each other better over TS...

 

better articulation of ideas

 

Like USP said, it's easier to articulate complex ideas vocally than through typing. It's also easier to misinterpret on the forums. It's easier to feel like someone is attacking you, even if they don't mean it that way on the forums, but on ts it would be easier to tell if someone was joking, it's easier to interpret tone, etc.
Plus, in reference to not listening the first time, that's an apparent con of the forums, as my last like 5 posts weren't responded to, and I've had to repeat myself multiple times.

If we do use ts, I'd like to have someone record it if they can, since I think it would be pretty interesting to listen back to it, so i can try to understand everyone's points more clearly, and be able to address anything that I wasn't able to address at the time. Also, since I'm going on vacation in about a week, there's a chance I won't be able to make it, and would like to be able to listen back to the points brought up.

 

Come on Gehenna. My British accent is sexy af

You won't be able to resist me :3

 

can confirm