Religion Debates and Discussions

I was randomly browsing the forums when I saw this thread. I couldn't help but to read some posts... I may never return here again but I have one think to say:

I feel like you all are forgetting that there is an evil in this world... people have free will, they will sin, yeah yeah yeah...
But the Devil lusts after corrupting and destroying God's creation. He can put thoughts in your head... sometimes we'll have thoughts that aren't actually us. It's going to "sound" like us but we have to dissect it and it's not hard to tell whether it's ourselves, from God or the enemy. This is constantly going on. This is just something 80% of people aren't aware of. With this in mind we can understand why people are racist, why people commit crimes, why rapists rape...

Of course, if you are an athiest, all of the pain and suffering is absolutely human nature. If life was this way there would be no "right" or "wrong" and morals would be irrelevant... life would suck lol.

 

Athiests think morals are irrelevant? So if you didn't bieleve in god you'd be racist, raping and killing people? Wtf

As you can see there still is a very clear right and wrong.

 

Just read a study that 0.1 percent of federally imprisoned prisoners in the US are athiest. So no we're not crazy people without morals

Edit: looking more into the numbers

 

1. If you didn't believe in God, being racist, or committing a crime would be more likely, because you are more vulnerable. Why? Because you aren't a Saved. I could go on and on but you probably don't want to hear that stuff so -
Everyone, no matter what religion can commit crimes and do horrible things. I stated why that happens in my post. I didn't want to write too much but I can go more into that if necessary.

2. To an athiest, what I said about thoughts would not exist, so why would people do those things? Because it's their perception, their worldview that's so distorted.

I'm pretty sure most athiests have a decent moral compass, what I meant to say in that post is that if I were an athiest I would have an extremely negative view of the world and the reason why sh!t happens is because people have a messed up moral compass and they just let loose...

 

Wow

That escalated quickly

Lemme preach here (harhar. bad pun. harhar):
Religion, or lack thereof, is about belief. A large majority of what did/did not occur is never going to be proven or disproven. Because it cannot be observed directly or indirectly, it is outside today's known universe if you will. Therefore, because people are arguing with beliefs, not evidence, and feelings, not facts, nothing productive can be made of this discussion. If the intent was to create a dialogue about coexisting, pardon me, but that was not the impression I received from the thread.

tl;dr: This is useless bickering.

 

1. Athiest people are at higher risk to commit crimes? Read post above

Also I think I did misinterpret you're post from earlier my apologies.

 

Unless said study is linked, there is no credibility to either of your claims.

 

My point isn't that religious people are more likely to commit crime @Gehenna_Beam. It's that the evidence doesn't portray a higher crime rate among athiests as @Soundkid suggests.

And yes it's likely that a few Athiests could have found religion in prison but I don't think the percentage would change enough to the point where I'd think athiests have the highest crime rate.

 

Oh so we're not complete monsters? thank you for that concession <3

To be fair, Judaism is a race as well as a religion, just to point that out. I am a Jewish atheist.

Well yeah, all the pain and suffering would be human nature, but so would all the awesome things people do for each other.

I think you're confusing the concept of subjective morality with the concept of NO morality.

I believe in subjective morality, wherein there are no set "right" and "wrong" but we decided what is right and wrong for ourselves. I think the idea of subjective morality holds up when you look at all the different civilizations around the world and how they have different ideas of right and wrong.

I don't think the correct assumption is "oh well, God says that I'm correct with my moral code and everyone else are heathens/savages/whatever".
I think the correct assumption is "maybe there's no universal moral code, each individual and each society creates their one to fit their needs and circumstances".

Just because I'm an atheist, and I believe in subjective morality, doesn't mean that I am completely lacking in morals and that I'm the anti-christ or whatever, and it doesn't mean that my life sucks.

If you think that not believing in some supernatural being means that there is no point to life and no point in doing the right thing, then maybe you're the one with issues, not me. I try to do the right thing for myself and for others, not for some ethereal sky-daddy.

Dammit, I got sucked back into the debate. IT'S TOO TEMPTING :>

Also, I think this right here^^ is very telling.

You claim that you'd be a good person without God, but here you are saying that the reason you don't rape is because God is watching you. If this is a false impression then please enlighten me but that is definitely what you are saying here. I'm pretty sure some famous person said that the measure of a man is what he'd do if he thought no one would ever find him out. Are you telling me that if you knew God wasn't looking, you'd rape her? That's what it sounds like when you say that God is what's compelling you not to rape.

I wouldn't rape her because it's wrong and it violates her rights. That's it.

Guys, we're finally getting through to him.

If there are, they're doing a really shtty job. Billions are starving or homeless or without clean drinking water or having their rights violated, and you think some angel thought that it was more pressing to help your dad get to a car? what?

 

Um, maybe you need a refresher on what counts as rape. We just did this in schools. If you touch someone sexually without their consent, I'm pretty sure that's rape. At very least it's "sexual abuse" or "sexual assault" and it's illegal.

And I think it's kind of messed up that if you were atheist you would potentially like, molest a sleeping girl, or whatever the hell you're talking about.

If you don't want to like, touch yourself, or do other "sinful" things that don't really hurt anyone else because of God, then I think that's silly, but go ahead. But to actually say that you would consider rape/sexual assault if God didn't exist... I just don't know how to respond to that. I mean, I guess this is what religion does to people. It creates this invisible threat (Hell/God) that ensures you don't do anything wrong. And then if you take the threat away, people don't know how to behave.

As an atheist I can say I think rape/sexual abuse is wrong, and I am as confident as I can be that I wouldn't do it.

Also I agree it's our responsibility to help the needy. But that doesn't really make sense when you're telling me that there are angels who think it's their responsibility to help kids who fall over? I mean, that sort of implies that angels think that's more important than all the people who are starving or homeless in the world. Which is really messed up.

 

he actually he just said he would sexually abuse someone without god watching over him........... wtf

 

no but it's not rape it's just "touching them in a private place just for a little bit"

I'm sorry Gehenna that's really creepy

 

How has the whole debate on religion evolved (or devolved) into a debate on moral codes?

 

You can debate about the definition of rape all you want. It doesn't change the fact that the act you were talking about is messed up