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Another Another Proposed Change to the Handbook

Discussion in 'Ideas' started by TwisterPvP, Jul 21, 2017.

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Should this idea be implemented?

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  1. TwisterPvP

    TwisterPvP Raid Mod / Squirtle

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    Hi folks.

    Nobody likes cuffs. That's a given. But there are ways to counter it as we all know. One aspect of cuffs however that is extremely hard to counter is when sheriffs handcuff you while they're riding a horse.

    This is because it is very hard to hit the sheriff before they handcuff you, and you end up normally just shooting their horse. This means that they can still handcuff you.

    My proposed change is a simple change to the handbook which states that sheriffs will need to get off of their horse if they want to detain and search a suspected hostile.

    This means that sheriffs will no longer be able to handcuff people on horses which, in my opinion, isn't fair as it is very hard to counter.

    Of course I want your thoughts and suggestions. Feel free to comment them.
     
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  2. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    This would still be a subject of controversy due to “close calls" and the sutch
     
  3. charlottethegirl

    charlottethegirl Ex- Party JMOD

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    I mean... It would seem a bit unfair on sheriifs. Having an advantage over players are rare for sheriffs so they need to take every chance they got.
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  4. TwisterPvP

    TwisterPvP Raid Mod / Squirtle

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    I think it would be pretty easy to monitor if a sheriff was horse-bound or not.


    Players seem to think that sheriffs are overpowered for some reason, so this would minimize any accusations of this without making cuffs completely useless like previous posts.
     
  5. Tjocko

    Tjocko Wild West Ex-MOD

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    AND it would make @aNezz happy.
     
  6. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I think sheriffs should have to be off their horse for 2 seconds before they're allowed to cuff someone - otherwise they could ride right up to someone, hop off their horse, and still cuff them before the bandit is able to hit them.

    As well as this, sheriffs should be able to cuff on horses if the bandit is also on a horse. It'd simply be too tricky to cuff someone without killing their horse, and as it is easy to miss and accidentally shoot the player instead of the horse, encouraging shooting a bandit's horse is not a smart idea.

    This change could likely be coded in to prevent sheriffs from being able to do this (in the same way that they're physically unable to process drugs).
     
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  7. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    If it was coded then there's no contest. What's being proposed here is that it becomes a handbook rule, which is why I have doubts.
     
  8. AmbitionZ_

    AmbitionZ_ Highly Established Member

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    Honestly, as @SoullessAngel_ said, It'd create a lot of close calls, and if they shoot at you then they're kos, you're allowed to defend yourself. The priority may be cuffing, but you're bound to get shot at before you cuff. Even if they miss, they're all kos. If there was something coded in to make it impossible to do though, I might change my mind. For now, -1
     
  9. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    Very opposed to preventing this, especially when a player doesn't see it coming. My go-to move was a ride up and cuff especially with a very fast horse when people weren't looking. Kudos if you turn around, but this idea is too limiting. I there's a way to prevent sheriffs from processing drugs, then there's also a way to register a hit on a horse as a hit on the sheriff and prevent the cuffing that way. Furthermore, in a situation where both parties are on horses, as soon as the sheriff dismounts, the person on the horse is at an immediate advantage and can run away around a corner. Sheriffs would have to be lightning quick to their gun of choice to be effective here and hope for a one hit kill on the horse. If they can't do that, then they'd need to mount ASAP and ride out after the person, probably 5 seconds behind at this point and with 0 chance of doing anything. I'm so opposed to this idea that a -1 can't even express my distaste (no offense to SoCool).

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  10. CrossBoone

    CrossBoone enjoy life

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    Are you gonna be active again :3
     
  11. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    It's designed to prevent you from right clicking on your own horse to get on I think while holding a gun and shooting it, but it applies to all horses which is the issue we are facing
     
  12. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    I gotta clean a few things up with my madden teamed finish leaning the titans playbook. Then I'm getting my laptop fixed and I'm free to be back. Not going to be active much and I doubt I'll have the time to commit to WW, but I'll try.
    My understanding was that this post was about being unable to hit a sheriff while the sheriff is mounted on a horse and solving that by making sheriffs dismount, which I can say for sure is a mistake and will basically lead to anybody with so much as a blunderbuss being able to successfully escape a protocol-following sheriff. Assuming any change forcing a sheriff to dismount for an appreciable time to avoid close calls is made:

    1. The sheriff approaches the suspect
    2. The sheriff dismounts and the suspect GUARANTEED turns around if they have the volume above mute.
    3. The suspect (who probably has a horse) either mounts and rides away, hoping the sheriff won't one hit the horse, or shoots the sheriff to buy time, likely with a shotgun, mounts, and rides away before the sheriff can mount.

    How does the person get away so quickly? EASY. They run around as corner, which does actually exist in 85% or more of these scenarios, as most cuffing are made in REBEL BASES WITH DOORS AND WALLS.

    Furthermore, this essentially renders sheriffs useless against better-manned and armed people. The element of surprise gave me, who was so cheap with my money that I wouldn't buy ANYTHING when going on raids except when I KNEW there would be certain trouble, the ability to arrest people- no- TEAMS with top tier guns and armor leaving and entering bases. Even head on, coming in on a horse around a corner is shocking to people and allowed me to cuff like 3 people without dismounting, quickly immobilizing whole teams.

    True, but the issue lies where a sheriff is in the act of dismounting with his finger on the shift key and left click and he clicks before shifting. And please don't say that the sheriff needs to be on top of their keystrokes. Unless I consumed all the mountain dew in the world, I was bound to be unfocused enough to make mistakes with quick keystrokes at some point. Otherwise I'd have perfect combos all the time and probably get banned for using macros.
     
  13. TwisterPvP

    TwisterPvP Raid Mod / Squirtle

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    I don't know how so many close calls would be had. It's pretty obvious if a player is riding a horse or not. If you're worried about this as a bandit or sheriff, you can record at every moment.


    So you're -1 because when you were sheriff you used this effectively? Maybe a little too effectively? Thus the reason the thread was made. There is much more fair ways that us sheriffs can handcuff somebody.


    So you're -1 because when you were sheriff you used this effectively? Maybe a little too effectively? Thus the reason the thread was made. There is much more fair ways that us sheriffs can handcuff somebody.

    I don't know where you got the idea that players are unable to hit a sheriff when they're horse-bound.

    The thread was made to make the game more fun for sheriffs and bandits alike. Nobody enjoys it when a sheriff rolls up on a horse and handcuffs you while you've you back turned. This completely defeats the fun out of the capture.

    I'm not saying that sheriffs should enter the illegal location on their horse, then quickly dismount and then handucff to search. Most sheriffs nowadays enter via any of the towers and sneak in to try and get the sneak attack.

    I don't understand the bit about being useless against better armed people. It's just not true. We can handcuff them if we get close or attack them if they are KOS. This wouldn't make the bandit's weapons stronger so I don't get your point.

    When you're saying that the suspect has a horse, this is also highly unlikely. Most people in illegal locations are either in buildings processing or in towers. This would mean that it would be very tough to handcuff them on a horse anyway. If they are riding away, then we can of course shoot their horse, so again I don't get your point.
     
  14. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    The whole purpose of this thread was that you can't counter cuffs by hitting a mounted sheriff?
     
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