Religion Debates and Discussions

My point is that if God created the reasons for morality, they are rooted in nothing but God's word, and thus the reasons for morality are fundamentally arbitrary.

 

But committing a single holocaust is equal to one sin. *thinking*

 

Is it, though? If morality isn't arbitrary, then the reasons for God's decisions about what is moral and what is not must be.

 

These 61 pages is why I chose Satan. That other guy is a total poser

 

Survivorship bias. If our DNA wasn't so amazingly complex, we wouldn't be here to contemplate the idea of its complexity. Essentially, we cannot use the functions by which we think as an example of massive coincidence that results in believing in God, because if those functions did not exist, we wouldn't be thinking about them. Capiche?

I think we kinda do, and I think you kinda do. I mean, you're basing a significant chunk of your life on him.
Also two more points:

1. What if I said "I don't know how evolution works. You're asking too much now. We don't know everything about evolution. and we don't need to know." You demand such a high standard of evidence for everything non-God related. It's good to be skeptical, but you're doing it in all the wrong ways.

2. I've looked at some flat earth websites and I've seen their arguments for the flat Earth. They say gravity isn't real, and the round-earth photos have been photoshopped. How would you argue against this?

 

Do you actually believe in flat Earth? I don't, in case you are wondering.

 

Nah, I just use it as an example to try and show Gehenna his stupidity. Hasn't worked so far though ;/

 

Interesting. Would this be the same "God" that christians worship?

Well if you provide a thesis that God is real and is an omnipotent being, whilst trying to prove it correct, we pretty much expect you to know everything about the topic. Since you provided a positive you must back it up, because we're not convinced.

 

@Gehenna_Beam if that pm group is still active then count me in. I'd be happy to represent King James Onlynism

 

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Can you explain my survivorship bias? I explained his.

1. So your general philosophy is "we know enough, we don't need to know anything more"? Imagine if everyone had that mindset in the 1600s. We wouldn't have anywhere near the level of technology we have today. This is one of my biggest problems with religion: it teaches people not to question, to stamp out their curiosity, when it's curiosity that is one of the defining features of our intelligence.

2.

a) The force that keeps us down is supposedly gravity, right? It accelerates everything towards the centre of the earth at a rate of 9.8 metres per second per second. Well, flat-earthers claim that gravity doesn't exist, instead the earth is being accelerated upwards at 9.8 metres per second per second. It's like being in a really fast car, you feel yourself pushed back against the seat even though you're moving forward. The Earth's upwards acceleration makes us feel like we're being pushed downwards.

b) The Earth is a flat plane and the Sun and Moon are above it, circling around. Or something like that.

c) Yes, they're all in cahoots.

Gehenna, obviously this is all bullsh*t but the point I'm trying to make is the importance of EVIDENCE in dis-proving bullsh*t. Also the point that the non-brainwashed part of your mind is logical and can easily see that the Earth is not flat. But the other part of your mind can't apply the same logic to creationism even though both theories are pretty much equally crackpot. You asked how NASA and RFSA could be in cahoots to cover up the Earth being flat. Well obviously they're not, but somehow you think all scientists are in cahoots to cover up evolution being lie? Either that, or they're all monumentally stupid, which is a pretty bold accusation given that scientists are the reason we all live such comfortable lives today.

 

Have my kids and pay child support?

 

That good reason being 'you ate a magic apple and now know the difference between right and wrong, (which for some reason I relegated that crucial difference to an apple on a tree
¯\_(ツ)_/¯) so I'll punish you and every one of your children forever and also this talking snake', right?

 

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Wait, how? Gehenna, can you explain more about my survivorship bias, you haven't really outlined it. I said Matt is biased in his understanding of his own brain functions because in all the possible instances where his brain didn't work as it does, he wouldn't be able to understand/witness them so he's biased against them. The idea is basically that the Earth isn't perfect for us, we're perfect for the Earth. So, again, how am I biased?

1. Except God is the teachings of man. Whatever else you believe, you can't deny that a human being taught you about God.

2. No, but evolution is a part of science and you seem to not understand that all science is connected. We group it into things like "biology" and "chemistry" but it's all just one study and one way of looking at things and to live your life the way you do thanks to science, but at the same time to say science doesn't work is hypocritical.

Science is the reason we're living comfortably and unless you can explain SCIENTIFICALLY why evolution is false but the rest of science still works, then you really don't have a leg to stand on. Also you've admitted you don't even understand evolution, so what are you even saying... GO READ A BOOK ON EVOLUTION PLEASE.

 

Oh yeah let's tell the two people he created and who don't know the difference between right and wrong not to eat the apple he created (and lie to them saying they'll die if they do) then leave the apple on a tree and create a snake that will talk to them and convince them to eat the magic apple that he left in the open by telling them the truth and saying they won't die, and for this let's damn their souls forever to the hell he created and also their entire lineage because he is a good God I guess.

Ffs, gehenna, parents that love their children put the stuff that could kill their kids behind locked doors. Is god stupid and didn't know not to leave the magic apple out? Did he know they'd eat it and not care? Or did he egg them on knowing they'd be damned?

From the get go you either have an incompetent God, an uncaring God, or a malevolent God. No loving all knowing parent would leave the spiritual bleach on the kiddie table, m8.

(also for a man so quick to dismiss the entirety of the OT as fake you sure rely entirely on the testimony of the OT for the entire concept of sin you believe Jesus died for. Either the oT is fake and you have no sin, or the oT is real and you have stupid reasons for sin. Either way though God is a psychopath so pick your poison I guess)

"based on random choice or personal whim" being the operative words here. Unless you can explain god's reasoning for creating a dichotomy that necessitates evil (which then brings about God creating evil,) it must be personal whim (which still brings about God creating evil, though this time because he felt like it)

 

@Gehenna_Beam, can you clarify where God's reasons for creating morality in a certain way came from?