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Add a Watch Dog like Hypixel.

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by slimefrog123, Nov 28, 2017.

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  1. slimefrog123

    slimefrog123 Well-Known Member

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    With some hackers on most of the servers on Brawl, can we have a Watch Dog sort of thing like Hypixel, where a bot spots a person hacking and instantly bans them. Now they may not be that many hackers on all the time but an easy job when a Mod or any other higher rank is not on is a good thing to have a "Watch Dog" to protect servers from Hackers. The Watch Dog is a spy that looks over players when that specific player is doing something bad. Would this be a good thing to add on this server?

    Always give me feedback for this. I don't care if it is Positive or Negative.
     
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  2. minemuke

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    Well, I agree and disagree. We try not to copy the same or original ideas from other servers here at Brawl. But, I agree we do need a new anti cheat system to prevent hackers. Overall, I agree as long as it’s not copyright and is only similar but, unique.
     
  3. Chilled_67

    Chilled_67 Lizard

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    We already have an anti cheat
     
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  4. BuddyCroooock

    BuddyCroooock Well-Known Member

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    Funny on how there was a thread about needing proof against bans. You out here coming to ask for an autobansystem. Hrmmm
     
  5. slimefrog123

    slimefrog123 Well-Known Member

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    Yes I did :grinning:
     
  6. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if this is a joke but watchdog is a terrible anticheat. While there are few false bans, it often takes 15 minutes for someone using fly and killaura to get banned.
     
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  7. slimefrog123

    slimefrog123 Well-Known Member

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    Their is not a system that is more advanced and can actually catch people cheating/hacking?
     
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  8. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    hypixel's anticheat is a lot like socialism. it doesn't work
     
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    Sn4x5 Ex WarZ Mod

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    ^

     
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    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    Sure, you can develop this anticheat also I'm guessing.
     
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  11. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    funny thing is I wouldn't be surprised if our anticheat is better than hypixel's which is weird because we don't even have one
     
  12. jelledk2000

    jelledk2000 Active Well-Known Member on War

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    I agree with this but also not. Sometimes it takes some time yes but some hackers on War for example are flying and killaura'ing for like 2 hours
     
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    Yes thats true
     
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    I'd post a very funny video I have on this but I'll explain what happens.

    Basically, there's a client called Huzuni which is VERY old and was "in" in 2013-14. I tested this a few weeks back on Hypixel - the old version, that is. I set EVERYTHING on maximum, and went and got a sandwich. I had time to make it, eat it, then get myself some whiskey, all while having the autobhop running me around.
    I was banned on my third shot.
    That says enough about WatchDog.
    Seriously, BAC isn't half bad.
     
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  15. Sn4x5

    Sn4x5 Ex WarZ Mod

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    at least you can't timer and click teleport on Watchdog xD

     
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  17. Daveeeeeeeee

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    There is. Just because hypixel is the biggest server doesn't mean they have the best of everything. Any good PvP servers anticheat is 10x better (Mineman club and zonix both have good anticheats etc.) I'm not saying we have the resources to make an outstanding one but I'd rather have the current one than watchdog.
     
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  18. SoCool21

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    Watchdog doesn't instantly ban hackers - it gets enough evidence to ban them, then waits a few hours before banning the hacker. They do this to stop players from knowing why they were banned, in order to make it more difficult for clients to evolve to bypass the anticheat.

    Brawlbot, meanwhile, will ban the hacker 10 seconds after it collects enough evidence to ban (it waits 10 seconds to give any online staff the opportunity to cancel the autoban and watch the hacker themselves so the mod can ban instead).

    Tl;dr: Watchdog is actually really good as far as I can tell: it's hard to test (due to the measures Hypixel has put to stop people from testing their anticheat), but it may be on par with anticheats that large PvP servers have. The only exception is with ghost clients - since Hypixel's staff team aren't very good with detecting ghost clients and they don't do any screensharing, it's rare that someone will get banned for a ghost client.

    We're physically unable to have an anticheat that works the same way as Watchdog does.

    Watchdog uses deep-learning technology to analyse data sets from both legit players and hackers. It uses this data to determine if a player is hacking or not. As it collects more and more data as time goes by, the anticheat theoretically gets more accurate and efficient at detecting hackers ("theoretically" because it's all based on how well the algorithms are made - deep learning or "machine learning" is quite complicated to do, and certainly above the skillset your average Minecraft developer will have - depends on the experience Cryptkeeper has with machine learning, to be honest),

    The reason we're unable to do this is because deep learning requires a very large data set. This is an issue for 2 reasons:
    1. We physically do not have enough players or enough hackers to get enough data for a deep learning system to work at all, really. You need a huge dataset to work with for deep learning to be effective enough to be better than Brawlbot. To put it in perspective - Watchdog was active for a few months watching players but not banning; just collecting data. After 40k players on average being watched over the course of a few months, the dataset was still not enough, because the release of Watchdog was a huge mess and there were loads of falsebans.
    2. The more data we collect, the more resource-intensive the anticheat will be. We'd need to upgrade our servers to have better specs and/or improve the code to make the servers less laggy, which we don't have the money to do.
    Not to mention, experience in deep learning and machine learning technology isn't the kind of thing you can expect the average Minecraft developer to have. We'd likely have to hire a new developer to do this, and that'd be quite a lot more expensive than you'd expect.


    Tl;dr: Watchdog isn't bad, they just ban people in a weird way. Also, it uses deep learning/machine learning technology which is very complicated to use and requires a huge data set that we're unable to collect due to our significantly lower playerbase compared to Hypixel.
     
  19. Kelsang

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    We already have one, it's called BrawlBot.
     
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  20. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    that's more of a joke than an anticheat
     
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