Denied Le Knaber's epic builder application (a bit late i know xd)

While I agree with many things I said above, I have some different opinions too.
First of all, one thing that I will not question is your talent at building. I really love your building.
Though a thing that seems concerning to me and many others is your maturity. I can safely say that it is not the best you would see on a Builder but again:

• If you want to, you can actually become quite mature at times. I’ve talked to you on Discord and you actually seem to get mature when you need to.
• Most immaturity, like in KingOfTheCrows, seems to happen between friends but you really need to stop taking it to the Global chat.
• You are a very likeable and special person, really fun and enjoyable to play with and the community loves you, and as it does we are good.

Though to see the best from you I will give you a -/+0 just to see your fullest potential. Work mainly on maturity, but don’t change yourself just for it, stay fun and don’t take it to the Global

 

Active, good builds. You are way to immature for anything requiring a tag, however.

Examples...

-constant nazi memes/jokes over the past year. Including your clan (REICH), your signature, old avatars, and the drawing you did for me -- which was a very obvious Hitler riff. I realize this is all intended as harmless banter but Brawl cannot have someone taking potentially offensive jokes to the extent you have as a staff member
-extensive punishment history. Just becaue you've got a few dozen mutes, warnings, and bans doesn't mean you're a bad guy. But it does show that you are nowhere near good enough at managing your behavior 'in public' as you should be
-formatting of this application. I tend to chat without correct punctuation a lot but this is an application. It should look like one, not a tumblr post
-your replies to this thread. It may seem ridiculous to expect professionalism out of a guy who's literally applying to build structures in Minecraft but your joking manner indicates that you don't understand what maturity means nor what the expectations for it are

For example..

Yes, how could anyone take "pls die in a fire" the wrong way. Your attempt to justify this comment, when you are applying for a position where you'd have a rank, an in game tag, access to the test server, and some perms is just silly

And it's taken a staff member bringing this up on your app to get you to say this? Not the 50 punishments you've recieved since the ban wipe? Not the multiple times you've been forum banned? Not even the 1 month ban after you changed your username to (translated) 'horsef*cker'? -- if I'm remembering that right

Of course not. You're not serious and it's painfully obvious. You have no intention of changing your behavior, if you did you would have realized you're an immature nuisance and would have done so months before thinking about posting this application

sportyman was demoted for saying one stupid thing in chat i.e. 'death wishes'. Considering your extensive punishment history, including a very recent mute for 'death wishes', I'd be surprised if you lasted a week in the role

If what Nickman says is true, which it probably is since I haven't talked to you on discord, then cleaning up your act shouldn't be an issue. I hope you do the next time you apply

-1

 

^^ poe's law

 

I told you in-game that I'd like to see you as builder but I wasn't aware of the extent of your immaturity. While personally I think Hitler jokes are mostly harmless, I can definitely see people taking it the wrong way, especially if they don't know you. I don't think it would be out of the question for admins to step in and deny your application like they did with Pyrotheum because of this.

I'm also a little worried about your warnings and the way you've dealt with criticism in this thread, because it shows a lack of willingness to change. I still think you're an amazing builder and Brawl would be lucky to have you on board, but I can't really ignore the maturity issues. -1 for now.

 

After Admiral talked about your punishment history I swiftly went to check it. I didn’t know about it.

While I really like you I am sorry but seeing it I concluded to lower my vote, -1.

Your history of over 50 (punishments/warnings/mutes etc. combined) give off a rather bad image of you. And they are not a common type of warnings. Most of them are classified as “Racism” warnings, while a few are Death Wishes, these are some heavy warnings.

From MinecraftBuild’s side, I see you have been kicked for NSFW builds, that’s the server you are going to work on. I won’t give much emphasis on this thought because it was old (July).

Therefore, you have a lot of work to do. I’d suggest:

• Improve your image by keeping your history clean. Don’t say inappropriate things in chat that are against the rules. Do that for a couple of months so that you actually convice people, and mainly yourself that you have changed and you don’t act in an inappropriate way.
• Like I said on my previous post work on your maturity in general. Act maturely.

Your building is great, keep doing what you do and good luck.

 

middle red - threat = correct

top red - nazbol is a way of saying "nazi" on wikiball.
was me and fotobomb who changed our names to horse and goat

bottom red - i also built a massive map of nazis, wasnt kicked for it.

 

"I built a massive Nazi flag because Doges built a Soviet flag"
To be very honest this kind of proves Admiral's point. Yes, the Soviet Union was a dictatorship and killed millions and committed some horrible crimes, but the Nazi's take on war crimes and behaviour towards ethnic and religious minorities was more than disgusting. If you hung a massive Nazi flag into a street in Berlin and made it clear that you did it and posted your address, you'd probably get your neck snapped.
Seriously, that kind of thinking isn't a bonus regarding applying for a rank.

 

I wouldn’t get concerned about his political compass (because Nazism a.k.a. National Socialism is a political side) as far it doesn’t contain inappropriate features (Racism etc. you name it).

The nazism we all know though contains all that, though if he can somehow be a national socialist without attacking or rule-breaking by taking out all that bad about national socialism I don’t see why he can’t have that direction in politics.

 

Not everyone likes Hitler, or Hitler themed pictures/avatars/builds

Of course it's irrelevant to your ability to build. I only bring it up because it shows a lack of effort and professionalism on your part. And assuming you did become a member of the build team, that is something that Roke and other staff will ding you for -- as far as professionalism/general attitude is concerned.

Or you could just not say inflammatory (pun not intended) phrases that could easily be taken the "wrong way".

Yes I remember. I find it hard to believe you didn't know it was related to a nazi organization though.

Well "my dude" I don't think that matters because the fact that you have been punished 20 times over the past 5 months -- the warnings aside -- indicates that you are completely unable to manage your behavior

The 2 mutes and 4 warnings you have this month, with most of them in the last week, are additional proof of this

Yes that's true. There's nothing wrong with being a 'memer' or whatever. But when you do or say multiple dumb things in a public setting that adds up, and not in your favor

 

First of all: I don't see why Knaber applied really, he knows he's immature and should have learned from sporty, and staff doesn't like nazi's and nazbol RIP nazbol meme.

Second of all: Munson why argue anyways, with all the stuff already, he's going to get denied most likely, it's looking grim already, so honestly let others deciede please, we heard your terms, and let knaber reply to any further critism

 

1. Unlike knabs, sporty was demoted for continuous immaturity all throughout his time as a builder until you know, the final straw was a legitimate death wish towards a randee with bleach, so of course, there's no way the person it was directed to would take it a different way. His immaturity wasn't meming or worshipping hitler, rather being offensive and rude to people. still ly sportyman

2. I really don't like this immaturity rule. Just because of what someone says ingame does not mean they will not be dedicated and not be a wonderful addition to the build team. Someone's commitment and building ability is not reflected by how toxic they seem to be, but instead, how many projects they have completed and what builds they've done. Furthermore, you cannot tell if they are not serious in building just by what they've built unofficially.

3. I mean, I didn't know what nazbol was until today... I wasn't surprised that he didn't know what it was

4. Wasn't Nazi censored not for what they've done, rather how it could potentially be used to death threat / wish others with those words? (idk I saw it on a censorship idea thread) So basically what I'm saying that Nazi/Hitler things have no substance without the follow up of an offensive line, if you get what I'm saying, which is why I think it's not extremely inappropriate for knabs to build those things.

5. After all, we're just builders for Brawl and I guess public image really matters to the server? I'm not saying it shouldn't, but I know capable builders who haven't applied because of this rule cough cough vin cough sporty cough cough cough actually too toxic but okay cough im a hypocrite cough cough cough

 

Being toxic or immature is a distraction. That is the only reason why me, Tom, Chilled, and a few others have brought it up. I couldn't care less if Knaber draws pictures of Hitler or makes Nazi jokes or is 'toxic' - as a community member. But as a staff member, yes I do think it matters. Under your logic sportyman never should have been demoted, when it was obviously for the best that he was.

Nobody should ever be accepted for any staff (or 'semi staff') position unless you can be 99% positive that they will not cause significant issues after the fact. That's just my opinion, but I think its the best way to prevent any possible abuse

I'm a wiki team member and compared to build team members, contribute very little to the server (I also have less perms). Yet I have still been pm'ed multiple times by Roke because I did something minor but that was still dumb and detrimental to Brawl's image. Brawl is a business and doesn't need what it doesn't need. That includes people who may be active and brilliant at building but whose actions have the potential to get in the way of their responsibilities.

Per the behavior expectations:



I do not see why this shouldn't apply to Build team members, if not even more so, because they actually have in game perms in addition to the tag.

 

Knaber has had a constant flow of warnings since the punishment recent, ranging from death wishes to racism to flame. He was muted two days ago (after he applied btw) for another death wish. How is knaber unlike sporty in terms of continuous immaturity?

Yes because memeing and worshipping hitler isn't offensive or rude to people :/

 

I don't get how being toxic or immature is a distraction? It's not an accurate reflection of their personality or how much effort they are willing to put it, and sorry, but I don't know how to explain it, it just isn't. Building is not the same as moderating a chat, it's much harder to be toxic in a build than in chat. Also toxic doesn't mean abuse.

Yes I know I'm not saying that knaber should be accepted or sporty shouldn't have been demoted, I'm saying that maturity rule is greatly flawed. People who can build well are quite hard to come across in this server and that this rule discourages many capable applicants so I think we can afford to be more lenient as long as some acts have been cleaned up. I'm not very good at expressing my opinions and most of them are contradictory and biased but yeah, I wish there was a way for immature builders to build for Brawl without screwing up the public image.

Um okay I'm not sure how reliable mutes are in Brawl since the rules are very strict, but from what I can tell, knabs doesn't really directly insult someone and verbally mute them, rather have all his "toxicity" directed at nobody at all. I doubt that will really hurt anyone :/

He builds hitler things in a map that is not viewable by everybody, it's not like Creative where everyone can see everyone's build, it's quite private and I'm pretty sure it's only him and his squad + staff rank who can see his hitler/nazi builds. Plus, building nazi flags or hitler isn't targeted at anyone and just plainly building it in general isn't racist imo, but that's always up for debate.

Anyway, as a clarification I'm not saying knaber isn't immature, I'm saying that his maturity isn't serious to the extent where he isn't qualified at all to be a builder. But this is only my opinion on this, and if promoting him will damage Brawl's public image significantly, don't do it then, just try and find a way to tackle this maturity and public image thing please. >_>

knabs- if you don't get accepted pls try to be less "racist" I really want you to help out the projects we're doing ^^

 

*wish i could like this** when we acted black lol @19kss @15kss good times.