To Atheists...

Yeah but you know, you can go to a hospital, and kill all the babies, that's not a crime because they go to heaven. You're even helping them, can you imagine them becoming sinners, and going to hell for that? Killing newborns is a brilliant idea.

 

hes like making things up along the way as this argument continues lol

 

This is the difficulty in being part of a religious debate on Brawl. The majority of Brawl players, at least on the forums, are Atheists or Agnostics. As seen from the last debate what inevitably happens is the argument will turn into a 1 v 5 2 v 7, with the religious being in the minority. The nonbelievers will criticize it, which is fine, but then they will then start agreeing with each other thereby affirming their own beliefs. That is one, albeit peculiar, advantage they have in this debate.

Tbh, I was hoping that there wouldn't be another one of these threads as it is pretty unproductive, and seems to turn Agnostics into Atheists. To paraphrase a great quote, "The worst people to defend Christianity, are Christians." G.k Chesterton

 

I have to admit that I was quite surprised since the documents I've found on this said the opposite (on a national scale in developped countries ...). But after looking at some statistics, actually I think it is right, If we look at a map of the index of the importance of religion (I dont't know how it's calculated tho) and compare it to the map of the fertility rate, we can see that the incomming generations will be more religious on a world scale, because they will be born in a religious society.
The maps:



Thanks for the source, very interesting article.

 

Quick question: What are your thoughts on Islam?

 

remove kebab

IQ

 

I don't know Islam very well, I know a lot of muslims since they are the second biggest demographic where I live, but religion is something very personal for them, they don't talk about it very much. I've however heard things on the Koran, like that killing people disobeying to the Koran was mentionned. I don't know if it's true or not tho. When the attacks of charlie hebdo happened, they where open to discussion and even if they wheren't saying "je suis Charlie" because they didn't wanted to support the drawings of Mahomet, they obviously where against the killing of the cartoonists.

To summarize I don't really know Islam, but it doesn't seem like a religion of acceptance at first sight. I do however know many muslims who live in Europe, and they adhere occidental values so I have no problem with them (from a social point of view).

@Knaber There's no caption on the map, what is it?

Edit: I saw the name of the file... Does education have an impact on IQ or is it just a way of measuring cognitive performance?

 

hey man its his own fault for bringing up this religion bs, yet again.. if he wants to get bashed on like this then let him be. he seems too stubborn to give up anyways let him argue to his heart's content. even if he's on the losing end

 

Its a combination of genetics and environment.

(idk if its any good or not but; study on white & black IQ on university students in south africa):
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.503.9118&rep=rep1&type=pdf

That's what happens if you join a sh-tty branch of Christianity (spoiler alert: most are pretty dumb) :b

 

LMAO

GEHENNA, TRYING TO DOWNPLAY GENOCIDE: "what was he supposed to do?"

In other news, we've decided Hitler was an OK person. I mean what was he supposed to do?
Also Stalin and Mao were pretty chill. I mean, what were they supposed to do?

Maybe God shouldn't have MADE humans to be so rape-y and pillage-y. He's omnipotent, he has a vast array of things he could've done to fix the problem other than KILLING EVERYONE. It's just so goddamn nuts that you'd try and defend God as "kind" and "just" when he literally committed the biggest mass-murder in the history of the planet.

Da fuq do you mean we all share equal blame? What am I to be blamed for?

On the topic of Satan - the whole idea of Satan is ridiculous. You want to have a God who is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient... essentially unstoppable. Yet you want him to have an adversary? If God really cared about what Satan's doing he'd just obliterate Satan. God can do anything.

remove kebab is a great meme

on another note, you guys wanna dive into some crazy things Gehenna has said as a result of his beliefs? Really makes you ponder what good can come out of Christianity if it has people saying stuff like

"Humans hunted dinosaurs to extinction"
"if there were no God, I would maybe molest some people, since there's no one to hold me accountable"
"because all sins are just as bad as each other, we're all as bad as Hitler"

this is your brain on religion

 

Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Nobody could ever live up to his eternal greatness...

note: 2/3 of these answers were unironic.

 

1. "Our sins anchor us to Hell"

stop stop stop trying to make it sound like God isn't sending us to Hell. We're anchored to Hell are we? Well who put that anchor there? Could it be the all-powerful guy who made the universe?

2. "Hate is murder in the heart"

this is basically thought crime from 1984. I will not apologise for my thoughts and neither should you. They are private and they are my freedom.

3. "god's not gonna allow unbelievers into heaven"

so it's a choice between believing in something without evidence or suffering for eternity in a made-up place? oof

 

1. It's not a choice if you're being threatened with eternal suffering. That's extortion, that's a threat.

2. So I am his property? This is one of my big problems with Christianity - it's so authoritarian. I am not anyone's business apart from the government that I VOTE in and even then they should have limited power over me. It seems that Christians aren't really free if you're always being watched by God...

3. you think the entire scientific process is sad? gehenna honestly i have to ask what the f--k is wrong with you when you say that it's actually sad to need evidence to believe something. Tell me, if evidence is unnecessary for belief then how do we tell what's true? I tell you that I'm a space man from Mars and it would be "sad" to need evidence to believe it... so you should just believe it yes? Goddamn Gehenna stop being so detached from reality

 

how
ironic
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