the issue in brawl

Although you are right, it seems the denying an appeal for the reason of their friends making it, could sound stupid. The only thing different in this appeal, is that it had already been resolved in another appeal. It was denied, after an appeal is denied, the person is told to wait a set amount of time before appealing again so staff don't get spammed over appeals. I get it's frustrating, I personally talked to Kasra. I could've gone into more with him, but I couldn't as it seems I been busy with a few people in this community who constantly hack. Once again, you have to have patience when it comes to things like this. I know that certain staff get on peoples nerve when they don't do anything, but all you can do is NOT flame them, and just wait until another one comes. Waiting can get frustrating yes, but it's the best option to resolve the given problem and AVOID conflict. Not create it.

 

What can he do tho lmao? You know perfectly well mods can't do **** to overturn bs rulings. If the smods were actually active on forums and were willing to listen to the people they banned, maybe this server's community wouldn't fall apart.

 

We need certain people to be promoted to SMod. Theres only a few staff members that are actively doing anything, some beingb SMods, some being mods. I agree that it's time to start selecting newer SMods that are actively helping out our community. Theres a certain SMod that does a whole lottaaaa stuff for Brawl. One of the best tbh.

 

Anyways, I agree with Dashed that is a major issue that we cannot appeal for our friends. I think that if we were able to have a team speak meeting about this false ban things would be solved.​

So @WarZStaff, and whoever banned him. Would you guys be willing to hop on teamspeak to discuss the ban at any time between noon - 10 PM EST? I will be on at all times between these given ones and I would love to further our discussion of this ban. I am quite certain that @Xion would like to join us too!
Please let us know or send us a better time that would be convenient for you (I know how busy moderators are from first hand experience, it can be hard to hop on TS into the support needed channel for a bit)

 

A technical reason why other players can not make other players appeals: PlayerA makes a fake appeal for PlayerB and gets PlayerB's appeal denied, forcing PlayerB to wait a month. If we was to allow players to do an appeal whenever they feel like it, then that could work, but as staff I would prefer to have it like it is now (hi I am apparently lazy for not wanting to read more appeals of players who pretend they are legit). It could potentially lead to quite some confusion as well tho. Besides if you need help from others in what you did that looked fishy even tho it was "legit" (how can others really know what you did better than yourself lmao?), you are probably hacking :V

 

Chill

 

This is why I wanna have a TS conversation with them. Would work things out much smoother, things seem so much more aggressive on the forums than they are intended.

That is not a reason to not allow a player to make a real appeal for another player.

 

Ok how do we make a destinction between legit and not legit appeals? There is a reason we wan't to be able to trust other staff that mod stuff stays as mod stuff, and that very reason is the same reason this can not be done in any decent way.

 

If an appeal has valid evidence, and is true, it should be accepted regardless of who made it?

 

This is the dilemma. We should accept appeals if they give 100% proof that they weren't hacking. Even if a friend makes it right? But if the appeal gets denied, for whatever reason, he still needs to wait 1 month before reappealing, just like in every other case.
Let's say you get banned and your friend makes a bad appeal without you knowing that he made one. The appeal will get denied. You won't be able to appeal this month, even if you can proof that you didn't hack.
That is why we do not allow others to appeal for you. You need to appeal, so you (the only one who knows 100% of the story) can get a chance to get yourself unbanned. Nobody else should take that chance away from you. It will be your own responsibility if you fail to explain it.

Obviously staff members can and most likely should accept appeals that are send within 1 month that proof that you weren't hacking. The thing that I explained above probably only counts when you admitted to hacking and you need to apologise.

Appealing is complicated and it makes it easier for everyone if you just appeal yourself. And tell the truth. That is the only thing that will get you unbanned.

 

i think i finally realized that this is about appealing for someone else? correct me if im wrong (probably). but anyway it defies all common sense to appeal for your friend, like what, why is this even a discussion

 

Apparently we have different definitions of "common sense"
Like I said before, "If an appeal has valid evidence, and is true, it should be accepted regardless of who made it?" This makes perfect sense no? It doesn't mean anything as to who presents the damn argument, if the argument is valid then its valid. End of story.

 

You should accept appeals if there is a chance that the banned player is legit.

 

Obviously, I never disagreed with that, but there's no way the information can be proved to be valid if a friend made it. Only the banned player, not a friend, can prove it. And no, it isn't enough that the friend quotes the banned player's approval of the statements in the appeal (again, no way to prove it's correct), the appealer needs to state that himself in his own appeal.

What I'm saying: there's no way to prove information is true unless the suspect is able to approve it (which can't be done from a friend's appeal because the friend could always give false information).

The real issue is why the banned player isn't able to make his own appeal.

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EDIT: Please, prove me wrong. I find this interesting.

 

Flame gets nobody anywhere, so stop. He's having an actually argument and is being civil, I suggest you start doing the same or your argument may as well be pointless. Flame and yelling are the easiest ways to lose an argument.



I sat in the support needed channel of Brawl's team speak from the time I posted this:

At around 10:30 ish AM, until about 10 PM. So I was in that channel for about 10 hours (an hour or two taken off to get food).
ONE staff member joined me. ONE. (much love to @13kss ). Tomorrow I will also be in this support needed channel from around 9:30 am until about 10 pm if anyone is interested in discussing this over voice. Feel free to join :V

I do not quite follow your sentiment that "there's no way to prove information is true unless the suspect is able to approve it"
What part of a valid statement is made valid simply because the suspect approves it?
Example of this-
Random person states : We will make Mexico pay for a wall!
Statement that makes it valid : Hello, I am Donald Trump and I approve this message!
Simply because the person who would be in charge of the act approves or does not approve it does not make it any more or less valid. Information is information. If a player took knock back (like he did in the video that xion appealed the ban of) then he took knock back. It does not mean anything regarding who states that it happened, as long as it happened.
The owner of an appeal is irrelevant to the information provided by it. If it is a bad appeal, or a fake appeal designed to discredit the player, simple solution! DENIED.

 

Well if there's video proof, it's obviously valid. :V Would've been nice if it had been stated in the actual thread. Thought this was about proof, as in text.

Yup, I had 0 clue because you didn't mention that there was a video in the appeal. -_- Providing details is important in a discussion.

EDIT: It would still be wiser if the actual banned player submitted the appeal, obviously, but I guess this is a situation where it's not possible?

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Not aimed at anyone, but I find it kinda of annoying how some community members' are talking about staff not communicating enough and then there are these kinds of threads that don't even give out the important information about the topic.