the issue in brawl

I've been waiting in the ts for a discussion of the ban itself, which has yet to be dealt with almost a week later.
I am not acting like the "voice of reason" I am simply saying that I dropped the subject matter as well as the person I was arguing with (lekosa) did. There is no reason to discuss our argument further when the two people arguing about it don't care anymore. You have no relation to it, neither does verlyn.

Besides I already admitted I am an idiot, particularly for how I went after lekosa. I see no reason to continue it.

 

bringing this back on topic

@13kss

this is the video that got kasra banned for nkb
you can see he takes knock back once he fires his guns, proving he wasn't cheating.
there's your proof

 

Ty I'll watch it today

 

so you deny cheating on brawl?

 

youve always cheated, so there's no "prior"

 

@Meepism @Yorei @Xion @Sleeq Please get back on topic, stop accusing others of hacking and stop flaming.

 

I don't have anything to really contribute to all this flaming going on, and I haven't been part of the discussion, but I just wanted to point something out. I want to provide my input on what I think happened, even if it matters little.

I want everyone to take a look at this snip from the video:

This is as close as I could get to the first frame with GANGTHAT's feet near the ground.

If you look closer, GANGTHAT landed/fell 3 blocks away from the cobblestone wall. GANGTHAT is also not being shot directly in front, with the cobblestone wall behind them. They're being hit at an angle, with the actual wall mostly behind them instead. It's very possible that the wall behind GANGTHAT absorbed most of the knockback, since being hit wth the guns doesn't generate amazing amounts of knockback. While it is possible for knockback to ignore the wall and force whoever is hit to slide across it, that requires a considerably high amount, which the guns just don't provide. I could be absolutely wrong, though. There are 2 more things that I think could've happened. Here are my three ideas:

1. My above statement is true.
2. The knockback that was supposed to be applied was not due to lag while falling.
3. GANGTHAT truly didn't take any knockback, but was smart enough to back up to simulate gun recoil, or had just happened to back up without thinking about it during the fight.

If GANGTHAT had a clear track record, or their punishments weren't recent, I wouldn't be able to understand why they haven't been unbanned yet. However, if you look, there are multiple punishments that are very recent. Two of them being for some sort of hack. Upon first glance, this is very concerning for any staff member that wasn't directly involved in the previous bans. Due to GANGTHAT's track record, it's very hard for the staff to give them the benefit of the doubt here, and even makes me start to believe that #3 is actually plausible here. This puts them in a very difficult situation that I don't think a lot of you understand and/or acknowledge.

When the decision is teetering back and forth, the more recent and dirty the person in question's track record is, the more likely it appears for them to have actually broken the rules. Do they give this player another chance, even with so many punishments, or do they refrain from taking the risk of releasing someone like this back onto the server? Personally, I wouldn't unban GANGTHAT, and I don't think the staff should either.

Some people are attributing some bias and corruption towards the staff members here, and while I can see it, I don't think it's being applied here. Every staff team has a few rats that weasel their way in, or even some that run the show. Not much can be done if they're good at hiding their true nature, or if they're one of the big bosses. After all, they wouldn't exactly be in the position that they are in if they weren't an expert at what they do. I'm talking about being a weasel, not staffing. You people know who you are.

Lastly, I'd like to talk about the whole denial due to someone else applying thing, I understand and partly agree with it. I agree with someone's account being their responsibility, and that they should appeal. However, from what I'm understanding, GANGTHAT wasn't able to appeal for whatever reason, which makes this a difficult situation. I think that the person in question should be allowed to appeal no matter what, and they must appeal. If someone else appeals for a another player, it should be denied, but it should not influence the wait period to appeal again.

Again, as little as my thoughts may impact anything here, I still wanted to share them. If you want me to elaborate more than I already have, you're out of luck. I can certainly try, but if you've failed to understand what I'm trying to relay here despite how much I've talked about it, there's not much else I can really explain to you to help you out. There's always the possibility that I missed/forgot something, so who knows.

 

the bans for a 'hacked client' that he has received were false from what I know, and about your point saying "he could've been smart enough to back up to cover up his nkb" if he was that smart he wouldn't be using the most blatant hacked client other than flight right in front of somebody who he knows records. he takes knock back the exact moment he fires his weapon. he also had around 300-400 ping in that fight, as I was there when it happened. so no he's not that smart, and no he would not be using anti-kb unless he was trying to get himself banned, which he was not.

 

Yes, speaking of being back on topic, would you be willing to join the support needed channel or send an SMOD in to speak to me about the ban? I have been waiting in there perhaps a total of at least 40+ hours total now. @Lord_Roke its very tiresome and frustrating to be able to sit in here for this long and have basically no response. My opinion has somehow been shredded to mean nothing to staff since I no longer have a purple tag. Nobody remained on topic because there is no point in it if the staff are not here.

 

Seeing as he got unbanned shortly after, they were probably false, but a staff member that wasn't directly involved in the unbanning would take a longer time to consider it. They have to take things at face value. Perhaps he is that smart, and that's how he got out of the previous two bans. Maybe he also uses a hack that causes him to appear to have high ping and lag to give him a suitable excuse? There's no for sure way to tell. A simple "I was there" won't do it for the staff here, and shouldn't for any staff member when the person in question is severely toxic. You can imagine how it may be hard to believe that someone who has had multiple warnings for things as insane as rape threats, death wishes, and extreme harassment wouldn't go as far as using a hacked client. You can make the dumb move of using a hacked client, but that doesn't mean you can't be smart about using it.

Let's be honest. He's probably not going to get unbanned unless one of the staff members decides to go against their better judgment and give GANGTHAT another chance. I thought I was able to express what I just said decently well in my first post, but here we are.

 

True, as I said in other posts if the appeal is valid it needs to be accepted. Anyways, they are going against their own policy if they don't unban him.
"If you are not 100% certain, if there is any room for debate, you may not ban." Cuddled- 2017

 

Regarding the general topic of this thread: There is no need to discuss a staff guideline on TS3 when we have the forums to do exactly this. That is not what the support channel is for and we do not expect that from our staff members.

I'm not sure what you mean with "the ban" as various different situations were brought up on this thread.


And to respond to the original topic of this thread, here is an excerpt from the Moderator Handbook:

As you can see, we only deny appeals for being made by another player than the accounts owner if the appeal is not disagreeing about the ban but rather asking for another chance.
We do this because we think that personally owning up to what you did and apologizing for it is a important part of the appealing process - and this can only be achieved if the accounts owner makes the appeal.

In general, it is important that we can ask the banned player questions about their ban, so it is always recommended that you appeal a punishment yourself.

 

This is flawed because there is always something to debate about, no matter how definitive the proof may be. You can never be 100% certain unless it's extremely obvious hacking. Passing it off because you're not 100% sure someone is breaking a rule is ridiculous. I obviously can't do anything to change this, as the person who said it is a "big boss", so I'm going to respectfully disagree with this concept.

Could I please have a screenshot of this being said, or validation that this is real?

 

That statement was not meant to be taken literally.

 

That's a relief. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

I loved your response, a very good judgement. The first ban for Xray was a 100% real ban (Unban bought), the second one for Aimbot, although very suspect and was probably accurate, the benefit of the doubt was given. As well as another of his accounts was banned for Xray but it was appealed by the staff member giving him a second chance.

 

seeing as how he lives in Dubai, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't need a "hacked client" to give himself high ping.

I can't imagine it would be that hard considering flaming and using a hacked client are two completely different subjects. if I tell somebody to "kill themselves" does that give staff more of a reason to check if I'm hacking? nah, it just says I'm immature. the two don't correlate in any way.

you don't understand what you're talking about
there is no being "smart" about using ANTI KNOCKBACK. ESPECIALLY in front of somebody who is well known on warz for recording everything. you can be smart when using x-ray, or reach, and a lot of sword PvP related clients, but nkb is a hack that you always get banned for unless the victim didn't record it. even then, that player could easily ./report him and get him banned that way.

but the thing is it was easily proved that GANGTHAT took knock back. he didn't move backwards manually, he took it as soon as he fired his weapon. he even offered to screen share afterwards but was denied. so whichever "staff member" (quotations because whoever banned him isn't fit to be on the team in general) banned him should probably use common sense

 

I have spoken with you upon this ban on TS. I told you he won't be getting unbanned anytime soon until the month was over. The evidence that was given showed a display of antiknockback. The staff member made that judgement and it should remain unless they feel as if they can unban him. As well as the first point made in the thread, the appeal was resolved in another appeal. Afterwards he reappealed 2 other times if I'm not mistaken after being told to wait a month before rightfully reappealing.

This argument of the staff member not being fit to be in a staff team over a ban like this isn't needed. There is no reason at all to flame the person because they made a judgement. This only leads to problems between people and starts flame wars. If anything, there is always room to improve. One mistake doesn't define a person, it never does. Everyone always has room to become more experienced and fit in.