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  1. FearTheDoggos

    FearTheDoggos Ex- WildWest/WarZ MOD

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    The only issue with this, is that nobody has responded about GANGTHAT even though there is numerous instances and plenty of evidence showing that he should be unbanned.
    Basically what you are telling me is that the support needed channel can be ignored as long as they don't deem the topic being discussed important enough. Also, you have basically just repeated what people did in the salem witch trials. You essentially just said "They must stay banned until they admit they were hacking. However, if they admit to hacking, they stay banned." That makes no sense... He cannot "own up to what he does" when he didn't do anything in the first place.
    Watch the video, then please, speak to me about the ban itself. The player very clearly takes knockback, but yet is banned for anti KB. I continue this debate until an SMOD or an ADMIN speaks to us about it. Forums are practically ignored by probably 75% of staff as you and all mods who have access to the mod stats each month. We ALL know that the forums are barely looked at. A support needed discussion will end this debate within minutes. Why is that such a problem?
    Players have been told, as well as staff, that they are to speak to higher ups when a moderator refuses to discuss a ban or denied ban appeal. Why will nobody speak to me about it?
    Even if I did screen shot what she said to me I'd probably be perm banned for "leaking staff info" if it was on slack, and as Fuiji said its not meant literally.
     
  2. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Chickn, I have talked to you already about this ban. An SMod will tell you the same thing, as well as an Admin. Kasra can talk to me today, I'll take over that whole situation and defuse it. Now please, the whole topic was about a player not being able to appeal for their friends.
     
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  3. FearTheDoggos

    FearTheDoggos Ex- WildWest/WarZ MOD

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    The evidence did not display "antiknockback" as the player who is claimed to not take knockback takes knockback in the very video that got him banned. You have perhaps an entire community and pretty much nobody supporting your argument. In fact, even when I discussed this with you and decasper over TS, you BOTH said that the player took knockback in the video, but he still has to wait a month.

    Amazing how your opinion has seemed to drastically changed now that we are on a public forum.
     
  4. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    that's true, however if the person who banned him continues to believe that it was in fact nkb they should still be a JMOD, not part of the mod team. either that or they need to realize their mistake
     
  5. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    My opinion was told to you that, "Kasra most likely won't get unbanned from this until the month is over." Literally what I said to you, and I still believe it. I can talk to him about it, and only him but at this point its becoming a thread about a certain individual and how he should be unbanned. If you think players should be able to appeal for their friends, then continue on this thread. But as for his appeal, this discussion is over. His ban will be looked at, and it will be decided wether or not he should be unbanned.

    When looking to unban someone, you have to think of the multiple possibilities of what happened during the ban that could've been overlooked when the original punishment was handed out. This will be resolved today, and after today the judgement that is given will stand. Now please lets get back on topic of the appealing of friends, and not an appeal of a certain individual.
     
  6. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    I disagree greatly, but I'm not going to get engulfed in this again xd
     
  7. Corcustos

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    Turn on antiKB and lag -> fall -> turn off antiKB and lag -> profit?

    Because your/his word is enough to prove otherwise.

    Windows+R -> %appdata% -> .minecraft -> delete hacks -> screenshare -> reinstall hacks -> profit?

    Are you sure it's the staff members that need common sense?
     
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  8. Kaaasssrraaa

    Kaaasssrraaa New Member

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    OKAY , hello everyone if you're wondering who i am , this chaos is basically because of me getting banned . I personally think the ban reason was completely ridiculous and that i should be unbanned. Man i dont cheat, i live in a 3rd world country with 8797553ms GG wp! l2p skiddies. I appreciate everyone defending me in this <3 @tallscot @Xion @Meepism and more , much love and appreciation
     
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  9. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    seeing as how he took knock back right before he landed from firing his spas I don't think this was the case.
    and "turn on lag", which client does this
    well seeing as how you were not even there, I don't think you have much of a voice in this whatsoever.
    can't exactly do that while staying on the server, which is what he offered to do.
    yep, and maybe you as well. stick to war

    and man you're making this sound so easy. how about you record yourself performing this on m4play? nobody's going to go through that trouble. nobody has, nobody will unless they're specifically trying to prove a point.
     
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  10. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    I took it upon myself to unban him, as a second chance when talking with him right now. The thread topic is still something to talk about, which is the fact that you can appeal for your friends. So now, any other messages about his ban will result in this thread being locked. Please use common sense when replying to this thread.
     
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  11. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    oh you warn us about not staying on topic but you dont warn your staff member lul s/o to you bro

    Just so I can win a pointless argument, yes there's a "prior" i've made several montages w/o cheating, i've stretched out the clips just to show I didnt xray or anything along those lines. Also, who got banned for metro and then had me ss'd right after but I was clean? dang. ok back on topic

    Even then any abusing staff member can use this guideline as an excuse for denying someones appeal even if it's correct. Yes I understand why there's a wait on the 30days but if you were really dedicated and you saw that one appeal for a player made more sense than the other you would bother reading through it to unban that player. I've had this bull**** excuse brought up in multiple appeals in the past when I got 0 explanation. Anyone can use this to deny someones appeal based off disliking the player and w/o having to explain anything and tbh a lot of players wouldnt bother bringing it up anywhere cause they probably dont know what to do or they don't care enough but for once i'd like to see some change happen on brawl for the better. As it wasn't only the playerbase getting older that killed a lot of it, it was it's own staff team and the constant failure from it.

    oh yeah s/o to anyone that replied to this thread and got it spread around, maybe the community actually does have some power :wink:
     
  12. FearTheDoggos

    FearTheDoggos Ex- WildWest/WarZ MOD

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    Which is why you are a builder, not a jmod.
    Anyways, I'm not sure why this thread isn't locked lol. Its obvious people like this guy ^ are trying to use it to start flame wars. "I'm not going to get engulfed in this again xd" (but I'm going to post an obnoxious comment on it hoping that someone will respond to me so that way I can have an excuse to respond to the thread again)

    @Lord_Roke if an appeal is a valid appeal and gives valid evidence for why a player should be unbanned, it only makes sense that the appeal should be accepted. Perhaps the staff team could consider a rule change on this matter? It just seems logical that a valid appeal is not deemed "invalid" due to the player who submits it.
     
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  13. StrikerSly

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    youve been perm-banned several times on brawl and that says enough. honestly i dont blame these staff members for denying your appeals for others

    you completely missed the point of roke's explanation. if the ban is disagreeable (example: a ban for blink that was actually lag) and someone else appeals for the player, the ban is investigated. i had to deal with this as staff. right now, this ban is being investigated from what i know. however if the ban appeal appears to be from a different player "owning up" to the mistake of another, that simply defeats the purpose of the appeal. most players are unbanned off of trust. this is not about "a staff member disliking another player"

    the few times ive appealed for mildcafe were disagreeing with the ban reason and although i was not him appealing, the ban was investigated/solved.

    but since you've been banned countless times and have more knowledge on the appealing process than i do, id like to hear why roke is wrong here

    probably the one agreeable post in this whole thread. he failed to mention there's "proof" and still hasnt provided it.

    and finally: the fact that another player had to post it 5 pages in is kinda funny. xion you need to provide this in the thread if you want the community to agree with you. that is why you posted this thread publicly, no?

    how come everytime i fire my gun at the same time as someone shoots me i lag back up where i jumped from? also bullet knockback is far higher than recoil and he should have been hit a little further than he did. not saying he's cheating or that he is, im just saying this isnt really enough proof that it's lag
     
  14. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    it's why i posted the thread, but I didnt post the video because my main focus was not to get him unbanned, it was more to get it out there that the appealing system is braindead. You're really going to say it's not about a staff disliking another player even though you've mentioned staff are bias multiple times in the pass? I was permbanned once on brawl, afterwards I played legit you just cry about anyone that's better than you so basically anyone that plays and anyone can agree on that.
     
  15. StrikerSly

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    well clearly you're worked up over the ban denial, so if he did get unbanned you wouldnt have posted it in the first place. the staff system is braindead as a whole, but the appealing system isnt. you ARE able to make appeals within the 30 days they "restrict" you from appealing again (you should know this, as you've done it many many times).

    so why didnt kasra remake the appeal, acknowledge that he was appealing within 30 days because of reasons a,b and c? the staff (source: i was one) only tell the players 30 days because they (know) think that the ban was justified and the 30 days is the default "reflective" time. if the ban was false and they know it, they wouldnt make you wait the 30 days given. I was banned for blink/aimbot and i was told wait 30 days, i waited probably 30 seconds and re-appealed with my video proof and i was unbanned.

    you are friends with him, so send him all the proof gathered and he can write an appeal. if he knows hes innocent, then he should be able to explain why. if kasras situation is not what youre referring to, then you need to detail it on the thread and stop crying about rules that have been in place for ages. the appeal is not only for players to defend their case, but show remorse if they've committed the mine-crime
     
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  16. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Locked. Gave a warning about talking about Kasra's ban. Not on this thread.
     
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