To Atheists...

Ice Bear has yet to see love as an object example?

 

Adam and Eve is a story people made up over a thousand years ago. Do you know anything about evolution? And what you call sin is really just an action people think is unjust. For example: you save millions but killed one. You still killed a person and that is a "sin". Morality evolved longer than you think it does. Humans were not the first. What you call a sin is just what the church said is bad. It is simply opinion. If "god" is perfect than why have opinions? Perfect it's self is an opinion.

 

You are not understanding the basic truth I am telling you. Most of what you say is just BS. You are basing all of this argument on a book that could have been written someone just telling false stories. We don't know, therefore you shouldn't base your argument on an uncredited source.

You don't need faith. You need to act and do.

 

And earlier in this thread you practical,y said evolution was fake.

Wow... you actually walked into the trap I set up earlier . If god is all powerful can it create a mass to heavy he cannot hold?

If it can't do it then it is not all powerful. If it can than he is not all powerfull.

And nothing and no one can be all knowing. This is simply impossible. Yoj are just BSing right now m8.

 

Then he is not all powerful. Boom. Paradox.

If you still believe is a god being all powerful than you are in denial.

And if god is a mutation he can't be all perfect. Mutations are a glitch in the DNA code. AKA god isn't perfect.

 

Then stop acting like you know "god" is behind it all. If I don't know why someone did a crime I can't just say some dude just asked him to. I simply don't know. I suggest you admit your faults in saying that a god is the reason for everything. You also mentioned we have free will. How is this possible is a god is controlling what we do. Another paradox

 

Ice Bear says morality is subjective unless if there is some sort of higher being to make it an absolute. Ice Bear says of course he can't prove anything about morality unless he establishes some sort of god that can determine what is good or bad. Ice Bear says this argument was about the existence of god not morality though.

Ice Bear says that is opinion not fact Ice Bear disagrees with your opinion. Ice Bear wants proofs not opinions.

 

@Ice_Bear1. I agree fully.

And @Gehenna_Beam did you chose to become Christian? Was this truly your free will?

Or were you raised and taught to believe this. If so than at a young age you were taught this and believed it. If my hypothesis is correct you have no free will as you believe. Here is a dark example. Hitler had people tell kids that Jews were evil and to be hated but this doesn't mean it's true. This example to be honest would have the same principle. In real life I study music (play trumpet and alto saxophone), philosophy, psychology, and combat arts. So how would you really know. Idk if this is going off topic but I am curious.

 

Well that's nice for you. It's a shame it's not true. Having faith means believing someone beyond evidence or proof. Darwin had an idea, a theory, a hypothesis. He didn't have faith in it because he only believed it so far as the evidence took him.

Uh yeah, you could have all of those things PLUS not committing genocide.

weird how you are now OK with the idea of mutation and hereditary traits but you're still not a believer in evolution... those things are literally the building blocks of evolution. come on Gehenna you're so close!

 

Ice Bear says on topic but that doesn't mean he doesn't have free will be has the free will to not be Christian, though it does explain why he is a bit stubborn. Ice Bear says that if people already have their beliefs set then not matter how many facts arguments or etc. can change their opinion. Ice Bear says example people have been indoctrinated to believe that a negative times a negative = a positive and if new research came out that somehow proved this wrong the majority of people wouldn't believe it. Ice Bear says this is hypothetical but there is research that does confirm how people don't change their opinions generally.

 

@Gehenna_Beam you wanna know who came up with genetics? AN old Christian monk with pea plants. I find it funny how people like Darwin, Newton, and Mendel were all heavily Christian and exepted these truths but you can't. Lel. Got you thee m8. I'm competitive AF in these kind of arguments. XD

 

Ice Bear says double post therefore all your arguments are wrong now. (Ice Bear says please don't double post) Ice Bear says that Gehenna will says see? SEE?! proof that science needs faith, and there you are back to square one. Ice Bear thought you were trying to get him to believe evolution not genetics?

 

Sry ice bear. I have seriously bad wifi. It glitched :v

Really no one has free will. All our thoughts and actions are caused by what we have experienced, been taught, or have been affected by. So we really don't have the ability to fully think any way. I don't have free will because my thoughts are influenced by what I have known. Every thought I have is based on the data my brain has collected and uses to make sense of the world. Free will, like many things, is simply an illusion that we all experience.

And genetics is evolution. Genetics is the passing down of genes. Evolution is glitched DNA which contains genes. This is an over simplified explanation of how we evolve.

 

Ice Bear says that influence is different from being forced you maybe influenced to do something but no person or force is stopping you (besides your mom) Ice Bear really does think that people have the freedom to do whatever they want though there maybe consequences for doing those actions. Ice Bear says that free will just has to be voluntary though influence does affect what we do with free will it doesn't make it involuntary. Ice Bear says that genetics is part of evolution and evolution is a theory based on genetics but not genetics itself. Evolution is the theory of how through genetics organisms develop traits to be survive. Genetics however is just how traits can be passed down though not necessarily to evolve.

 

Sry if my wording is bad. I am typing on an IPad and it deletes many words and autocorrects everything to the point where is is almost unusable XD

What it was supposed to say was genetics and evolution are related.