It's time to stop

Alright, so I do agree with most things said here, both my applications did take a long time but I've had some interesting conversations with specific people in high places and they did explain me why it takes so long still very annoying hence it's a whole month that you're waiting hoping to get excited news but I would indeed like to see the most blatant accepts / denials dealt with faster. I would like to point at @xxMineSheepxx who has an insane 90% +1 and I don't think anyone would be able to find a reason for not accepting her within short time.

However, as a counter argument to what I said above, applications need to be considered deeply and thought through hence that person might as well end up being an admin on the server someday, so you need to be 100% certain that this person is trustworthy with the powers they will be given.

To be fair, the admins were assigned rather recently so it isn't completely fair to add them to the "part of the slow accept system".

 

Sometimes monitoring them over a long period of time if staff have concerns about them is better than denying them on the spot. I know this isn't the case for every app, but it is more beneficial for the applicant imo.

 

Which is why I said in some cases, not all.

I also don't think that arguments should be based on the poll results. Although it does give info on what the community wants, which is very valuable, it is a very minor factor in whether or not someone gets promoted or not imo. There can be a lot of hidden details about an applicant that the community is unaware of, only observable by being a staff member. For this reason specifically, I think its appropriate to leave an app up while everything is getting a thorough viewing. Besides, how harmful is it to wait? If you are genuine and keep up your staff like qualities then you shouldn't be sweating. Staff should be patient anyways, and I personally don't see a need for all of these threads to be made. I do however realize that some applications should be dealt with a lot faster, but there may be things happening behind the scenes warranting a longer process.

 

Ehh...yes. Brawl does now have 2 more admins, both of whom are very competent, but we should give them a bit of time to settle in, you know?
I'd love to see an announcement regarding staff roles coupled with some well-deserved promotions before we come to any heated agreements or disagreements on here.

 

I guess SMOD+ are busy but it takes like 10 seconds to deny an obviously bad app. Still can't understand why they take so long.

 

.... That's cruel. However, I do agree with you but also I have a wavering opinion. The staff should not be chosen by brawl players, but by the higher-ups instead. I am surprised myself that people said no, but I do think that my poll question was a bit off. But again, I am conflicted on this thread

 

I also made that post 6 months ago

 

It seemed to be a point you focused on a lot in your OP and I was just commenting on what I have seen / acted on in the past. Yes, it shows support, but the a lot of the time, I'm sure the majority of those votes probably aren't aware of all of the details and it most likely boils down to "are they nice to me or not".

The issue would still arise if they were accepted. I don't see why someone should be denied if they have a legitimate reason to be away from brawl for a little bit as long as they communicate it - exactly the same as staff inactivity. If they know it will be a long time, then they should request a denial or resign in either situation. As for them losing interest, they shouldn't be staff then if they will lose interest that quickly - all from having to wait for their app to get accepted. Tbh I don't see why you're using this as a point, to me it shows that they shouldn't be staff if they will just get discouraged so easily and is no different than people quitting after getting denied, shows that they aren't doing it for the right reasons.

I do agree with most of this, that high standards are a good thing and past issues should be taken into consideration if they do not show sufficient improvement, however, I've seen in many cases that issues arise when they have applied and it will take some time to evaluate whether they deserve the chance or not. Again, I am speaking from experiences I have seen, and there are most certainly outliers that should have been dealt with a whole lot earlier.

If your app is up for a long time I would try to think why it is taking so long and try to fix the issues that I thought would be making me "frozen" in a sense. A good and genuine applicant (imo) would just try harder here instead of getting discouraged and giving up / losing interest as you previously mentioned.

As of last thursday - I personally don't think it's reasonable to expect an immediate change in things. I do assume applications will be dealt with a lot faster in general once things settle down, but I do think people need to keep in mind that it isn't unusual to have a rather lengthy investigation into an applicant while their app is up - regardless of the poll or staff support, some things aren't known by everyone. Timezone conflicts / inconsistencies will make things more difficult thus lengthening the application reviewing process so I think people in general just need to be patient with things - keep on trying and try to understand why your app is pending for a while if you feel discouraged.

 

I'd agree with you completely, but this has always been a problem with Brawl. Did you know it took my application almost two months to be accepted? and that was three years ago. I think your point still stands though, and it takes wayy too long for them to make a decision. If they are iffy about someone they should just downright deny them instead of leading them on, or at least accept them giving them a chance at the trial mod position (whatever the **** that is anymore, it seems like "trial" just isn't what it is)

 

Sort of off topic, but regarding the trial rank, I do feel like the position is very... unproductive. Yes, it limits their power to gain a feel for things and whatever else, but it is so rare for someone to be demoted from a the position due to slow progress, or multiple mistakes. In my opinion, there needs to be more regulation on trial mods and more corrective actions placed on the mistakes made here (not saying people aren't doing a good job, but more so to potentially increase the quality of staff members / speed up things at lower levels). Adding onto this, I don't think I've ever seen a demotion for a ton of errors / false judgement being made. Although I don't think people should be demoted easily for mistakes like these (as they are rather small imo), correction should be made in a lot more structured way to again improve the quality of the staff team.

Back on topic though, imo, denying someone just because of a small doubt isn't really a good thing. This would be a lot more discouraging to me, and by giving them a longer time to prove themselves / answer questions I think the application process is a lot more fair towards the applicant as long as the concerns are communicated well.

 

I'd like to point out that while it's completely valid to be upset, mods wait months to be promoted, sometimes years, so your argument about being patient carries slightly less weight.

That isn't to say I don't agree with you, because I do. I think it's unreasonable to have staff applicants wait weeks for an answer. However, complaining about it is a sure sign that they aren't willing to wait, something that is invaluable on Brawl especially. Brawl enjoys waiting until **** hits the fan before working on any fixes, so the amount of time to wait for a response is tiny in comparison.

 

Applications are up for quite a long time, whether that's people don't see it, they don't have time to respond, they forget to respond, or whatever, it happens arguably more often than it should. However, I'm gonna use an example from accepting or denying someone into TBF as an example:

Let's say I see an applicant that is obviously not going to be accepted for a variety of reasons. The council still has to vote on whether or not this person gets in or not. This process can take anywhere from a few hours to a few days, simply because we have to wait for everyone to vote. So an applicant can be left waiting way longer than they should have just to get a denial. A similar thing more than likely happens with mod apps. If there are quite a few good applicants, I imagine it can take some time to fully process them.

If it takes 30-40 days for an applicant to be processed, then they probably need that time to confirm how trustworthy and active that person is. Getting denied after that amount of time sucks (trust me, it's happened to me twice) but I'm still pretty determined, so tbh I'm willing to wait.

 

If you read my reply carefully you would see that I am actually agreeing with this post I think that my experience in the brawl server itself is enough, I did not think forums would count. But it's okay