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Idea Idea: The Temptracker Egg!

Discussion in 'Raid' started by Exaggeration, Mar 18, 2018.

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  1. Exaggeration

    Exaggeration Raid | Team Envy

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    Hey guys. I had an idea today and id like to hear your opinion on it, what if there was a special item (maybe an egg) and when placed on the ground, would instantly sprout a 250x250 temptracker below you (one like this:
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    ) . Considering most experienced trackers use 500x500 narrow trackers (usually placing a temptracking akin to this on in the middle, to cover all the ground you just tracked) . Those temptrackers are a pain to build, and can be an issue when temptracking which may allow for the person you are tracking to get your location and know you are close to them, screwing your chances of getting the base. They also could log off in the time you are building this tracker. The benefits of this would save tons of time for trackers trying to quickly narrow the coordinates if they use this item. Let me know your opinions, and sorry for the jumbled up post
     
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  2. Andrwe

    Andrwe Well-Known Member

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    I personally don't think tracking needs to be easier, the fact that they are a pain to build is great.
     
  3. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Don't you think this discourages players from attempting to build one? Tracking should be really easy imo to get more people to do it. Raid would be a goldmine if more people tracked actively / if it was used more.

    I'm personally on the fence about this though mainly because I'm concerned that the execution of it would be a little wonky / not make sense. If it were to be added though I would prefer to have it as a command on cooldown (long cd) as a rank benefit of mvp+. Resource wise this isn't really giving much, so I don't see the issue with that either. +0 as of now; I just can't seem to get my mind around this for some reason :n
     
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  4. Exaggeration

    Exaggeration Raid | Team Envy

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    Can definitely sympathize with you on it too, it was one of those things i thought of but didn't think too hard about the execution, i just really wanted to figure out a way to make an idea like this work because building these things 5 times a day is really annoying. the command would be nice, but in order to make it balanced make it so that the person using the command would need the materials in their inventory (11 obby, 44 stone, a few stacks of cobble, etc) and those would disappear. i do like the command idea tho.
     
  5. Andrwe

    Andrwe Well-Known Member

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    Tracking is supposed to be hard. It honestly sounds like the worst thing for raid, especially with the playerbase it has, to make it easier and quicker to track. The map is already being dominated by just a small number of trackers. I invite new players to my team everyday, and so many (read at least 4) of them quit after their little new base is stripped clean and blown up. New players don't want to instantly raid, that is for once you are settled in and want to play seriously.

    It really feels like you just want to be able to control the map easier, I give this idea a mega -1 :frowning:
     
  6. Exaggeration

    Exaggeration Raid | Team Envy

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    You contradicted yourself here, you say the map is being dominated by a small number of trackers (Which i wholeheartedly agree) and then say that it shouldn't be easier to track. I believe that we need to find a way to make it easier for people to get into tracking, without making it extremely easy for the experienced trackers (Me, @0racle , etc). Which is where this idea is headed.

    Overall, id really like to find a way to get newer players into tracking without breaking the server. And i think this idea is harmless for the most part, just eliminates a step.
     
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  7. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    How is it the worst thing for raid? The server is called raid because that's what you're supposed to do, and tracking is the main way to get raids. I would love for more people to track and from past research one big thing holding people back from learning it is that they are too hard to make. This idea doesn't change any skill requirements for tracking and doesn't affect gameplay, its purely just auto building something which isn't really that much of an advantage, just helpful and less annoying. Whether this idea is the right path to take or not, I'm not completely sure, but i agree with the intentions of it.

    One thing that's a little off about raid imo is the heavy division in the player base. We have the multiplayer survival world players who don't use any of the commands or features for the most part, and then the rest of us who track, raid, PvP etc and know of the server's potential. I would argue that this affects the gameplay tbh as a lot of the community hardly interacts with the server and just builds. Saying this, I think there should be substantial efforts to teach the community about the features and to make them easier to use. I think if we do this, the player base will be more quality over quantity short term, but then collect more players in the long run.
     
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  8. Andrwe

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    Yes the heavy division is what makes this a bad idea. All it will do is empower the people that already have everything on the server. This idea won't help people get into tracking, it will ONLY increase the division. If the player base was larger, then this would be sensical, but right now we don't need to increase raids...

    Obviously we aren't going to agree on this, but I am curious to know what others opinions are on this.
     
  9. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    But when newer players say they want to get into tracking, but the difficulty of making the trackers is what is preventing them is what's holding them back, isn't this a viable path then? If you have the resources in your inventory as exagg said, it isn't really giving power, just making things easier by building it for you. Anyone can mine obby and stone, but it would definitely help the "weaker" side by giving them some assistance where they said they needed it.

    I'm not trying to beat a dead horse or anything, I just would like to understand where you are coming from here since our views on this is literally the exact opposite.
     
  10. CalledRainer

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    @Andrwe Read this and you will understand why they want such things.


     
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  11. Andrwe

    Andrwe Well-Known Member

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    The majority of trackers aren't full map with a 500 narrow...I feel like it's irrelevant. You can have a good time tracking with 8 stacks of obby or even less. It sounds like you guys just want a compass that instantly points to other people.

    The impermanence of every warp is what makes people leave raid or ignore it, not the fact that it is hard to track others. Finding someones base is supposed to be special, not something you can do a dozen times a day. Separating the playerbase even more is bad.

    I KNOW for a fact people have quit because of the good teams tracking their every move, and all of you in this thread represent those great teams. You guys don't need an easier time and you know that.
     
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