Pvp is not the same anymore

I'm surprised you suggested this! But I agree. And are you kidding me, people bring 3 sets?!?

 

I am, of course, much more experienced when it comes to KitPvP 1v1s or HG fights, but I HATE the immense amount of gear you have to bring to a normal KOTH or something. I remember in the Castle Siege End Of Map event, each of us had a total of 3 sets, 3 sets of recrafts, rods, GApples, pots, with maybe 7 actual soups in our invs...kinda eh.
I'd love to see people forced into a more soup-oriented fighting style.

Like seriously - I've played a LOT of HG events (be it here or on Simple) and, especially on Simple, you have to have at least 3 sets of iron armor. If you want to equate that to a P4 set, sure, not as much, but keep in mind you can't naturally find diamonds in HG. I don't want to think what happens when someone lets diamonds spawn by accident.
Personally a debuff nerf and a plugin to make you take additional damage when you don't have a certain amount of Soup in your inv at the START of a fight would be nice.

 

Ya it sucks when ppl bring 2-3 sets. U cant manage to win anyfights when ur enemy have 2 sets. And remove those enderpearls or make their cooldown longer. 1.7 enchantment would be nice 2 to make p4 rare.

Ppl would iron pvp more if p4 was rare and the server would be alive again (maybe)

 

[QUOTE="Carnotauros, post: 922642, member: 25286]

• Nerd debuffs

I agree Debuffs are nerds.

 

Well, imo, if you want straight hardcore PvP, there are plenty of practice servers out there. Here, for hardcore PvP (or just PvP in general) you need to grind hard for a fight (as in to get started and have a chance). This is extremely boring imo as you're just vanilla grinding for a vanilla fight with (mainly) vanilla items. Its really nothing unique or fun imo. Why PvP here when you can PvP with all the loot provided for you in a controlled area on a practice server? I think we should instead be striving for more exciting PvP and to give us a more unique identity instead of trying to work with a dead idea that few people seem to like anymore. I think you can still address some of the issues you described if we were to try to make pvp custom, but the idea of "hardcore vanilla pvp" doesn't seem to have a reasonable place in long run growth for the server from my perspective.

 

Ngl sub and calledrainer started most of this XD
Imo the changes needed are
No team warps within 1k of spawn
Gapple cooldown of 45 sec from end of Regen effect
Pvp timer of 90 sec for pearls

Webs and obby are annoying to be trapped in but I don't think they should be removed

Once it is harder to kite a fight I think less people will bring 2 sets and the nerf to gapples will reduce their usage too.

Next map better not have an ocean within 1k of spawn... I don't need to name the fish who runs straight to it every fight

 

If i couldnt kite as easy i wouldnt bring a 2nd set. However i would still bring msny gapples what is 100% fair from my point of view. its the only use for gold.

 

Hopefully some of our planned changes for next map should fix some of these issues. However, I have to disagree with removing sponges/cobwebs/other strategical items. These make fights interesting and adds strategy to PvP'ing. Sure, it makes it less about pure PvP but when you think of Raid as a whole it's not pure PvP. It has a lot of vanilla minecraft and we should be able to utilize stuff like enderpearls and cobwebs, IMO. Don't worry though, the staff team is listening and we have a lot of exciting plans we hope you'll enjoy #soon.

 

Just nerf everything

 

This server is basically just the easier version of mcpvp raid.

 

we should have gold p4

 

I agree with this thread and I feel like for a "Hardcore stew pvp gamemode" it should be Hardcore pvp, thats the point.

 

Strategy is another word for tryhard or sweat.
eh...

 

For the few weeks before vanta quit sub were non stop tryharding
having extra players ready to log on for fights/Every time sub were loosing a fight ye would kite with bow boosting and pearls and the set team warps
This was some of the reason the gods left :/

 

That's why I added it in, it's part of the reason pvp isn't fun
There is a reason there is a movement based timer in tpa on hcf

 

Im really torn on this. I think that finding new niche scenarios to use specific items in PvP is really fun, and can be cool well you actually pull something off / escape solely because one of the items. as an example, even thought it pissed me off, @FrostByte was able to endlessly trap me in a corner with a punch 2 bow spam, there was nothing i could do. That type of scenario would happen once in ages but is cool when pulled off and makes bringing a bow worth it. I don't think that we should start straight banning items that people bring because it won't solve the problem, people who like to bring tons of items will find items to bring that take the place/serve the purpose of the first. I think that items could be nerfed for sure, here are some ideas:

Sponges without spawn protection: This idea I've had for a long time and I'm so glad you brought it up. Running around spawn sponging is so boring and so annoying to find someone especially with the nooks and crannies you can hide in in spawn. You could even make it so you can't use sponges within 1000 or 1500 blocks so people can still use this in their bases for fun.

Ender pearls to 1000: Self explanatory, pearl chasing is boring.

Webs don't need to be changed imo. I think they're too important for netting kills at KOTH because otherwise people would just run far enough that the member would rather go back and help their team then chase forever, so webs are probably good.

So all around a good thread, and in a perfect world we could find a healthy balance between not having 100 random items in your inventory and not just vanilla PvP with the same loadouts for everyone