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Discussion in 'Hardcore Games' started by xGhale, Apr 25, 2018.

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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    In a small discussion with @rhoske, we came to a few conclusions:
    • HG on Brawl isn't doing too hot at the moment, reasons being a lack of good players (I'll come to that) and the high skill cap required to play hunter strategies (which is the main strat since hardly anyone towers nowadays) combined with the fact that there are few new players on Brawl anyways
    • HG in general is pretty much surrendering to time - SimpleGalaxy is losing players rapidly, due to loss of interest and a lack of updates
    So what does BrawlHG need?
    1. Event-only mode. Yeah yeah yeah all the memes are gonna come along, "dude you retard HG is event only anyway get a life", but why not make it official and actually make it happen? Back when @Viva did the regular HG events HG had a decent amount of players, even outside of event times. Now, weekly is overdoing it a tad but I think every 2-3 weeks would be a decent variant. You could do 2 events per event date, one normal and one rotating (KotH, DeathSwap, TeamHG, NoSoup, SoloHG, Kit Madness (only certain kits)
    2. Bring in good updates that are not too hard to code because they revolve around structures. I hate being, you know, that guy, but come on? A new feast with new spawn types can't be that hard? New structures can't be that hard?
    3. Remove certain kits - if needed I can post a list onto this thread later.
    That's all folks. I don't want to see someone posting "haha loser HG is dead go somewhere else" or anything along those lines please and thank you.
     
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  2. DeadRhos

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    haha loser HG is dead go somewhere else :stuck_out_tongue:

    Yeah I reckon events every 2 weeks is the way to go. You could call it Fortnight.:thinking:
     
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  3. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    oh my god
     
  4. RiskyRuskii

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    Oh lmao
     
  5. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Oh yeah regarding the high skillcap thing - if I can kill some of the top Raid players without any armor while they're in full iron, that's saying something.
    If people like X_SUS or @NoRiskyyy or profii123 count me among the best HG players, and yet I'm personally not that good, that should ring an alarm bell or five.
    High skill minimums are an issue nowadays, let's be honest.
     
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    RiskyRuskii Well-Known Member

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    Self loathing much
     
  7. yShuu

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    please switch HG to 1.7
     
  8. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Brawl can‘t - too much coding involved, plus Brawl is 1.8+
     
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    Switch HG back to the way it was in 2012-13 mcpvp
     
  10. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    What exactly do you mean by this? Please elaborate.
     
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    By this I mean there are many changes in general to HG that have been made from 2012-2013 the HG community spiked in amount of active players. I feel if we change the little things like the beginning warmup for a iron sword and other small things like that back to the way it was in 2012-2013 mabey the community would start up again, also many people dont seem to know even what HG is because nobody is ever on to start a game.
     
  12. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    What are you talking about?
    The iron sword from warm-up was removed long ago (it has no reward at all anymore).
    And please specify. The changelogs from 2012-2013 are massive and not really relevant.
     
  13. SoCool21

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    Give out prizes and anything will get players. Even then, the HG events started to dwindle in popularity. When HG 2.0 is released I do plan on hosting events but they will not be as frequent as they currently are.

    We'll need more than structures to revive HG.

    Agreed, though I think we'd be better off completely reworking the kits. HG has always revolved around kits but honestly each game feels the same no matter what kit I play - it's the different play styles which change the game. I'm hoping to change that, where you can play the exact same play style but with a different kit, and have the game feel like that. It all depends on how much dev time I'm able to convince Putty to give us. Doc coming soonTM (though will likely be staff+Viva-only for the time being).
     
  14. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    They "dwindled" because they weren't being hosted properly :v They weren't being advertised in-game or on Twitter, etc.

    Yes, but structures are a start and they're easier to implement than new kits or stuff. They're also not necessarily too much of a game balance upset if they're done correctly. Additionally, they can be modifications to existing structures, for instance the Feast, as explained in this thread.
    Again, also in this thread. I think I went into reasonable detail on all the currently available kits (since the other suggested changes would cater to veterans as well) on said thread, if you feel that I missed a major one, please let me know.
    As to the playstyle - sorry, but what? Each and every trapping kit (for instance) is very strong even as a hunting kit, think of Endermage (which fulfills even more roles!), or Fisherman, or Digger, or Demoman, or anything like that. As I explained somewhere else (probably in a thread that I never publicly posted), everything is down to the player's creativity with any kit.
     
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    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    "War Fun Sundays" dwindled in players despite being announced in-game, on Twitter and on Discord shortly after launch. When you host the same event week after week, it gets old quickly and defeats the point of events. HG events suffered from the same issue.

    "A step is a good start, but if you're trying to run a marathon then you'll need to focus on more than just that." -Ghandi, probably

    That's exactly what I just said.
     
  16. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    The first 3 events were rotated - as in, there would be different modes each time. After that, a) they were not advertised on Discord and b) not in-game.
    https://gyazo.com/991c82132904796b69474f4bd92f4d1a close enough
    Maybe I misunderstood you, but from what you said, if you played a certain class of kit (as in trapper/hunter/tower/utility/etc.), you're limited into playing the kit's role and none other. IMO this isn't the case, but maybe I can't read
     
  17. SoCool21

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    They would always be advertised in-game as I explicitly remember trying to get SMods on when they were being hosted so they would get announced. Any times we didn't advertise in-game would be because I was unable to get an SMod on.

    Besides, if we have to make HG event-only then it says a lot about the gamemode and it's popularity. If we are going to make an event-only gamemode we should design a gamemode to be event-only, rather than making an unpopular gamemode, making no changes to it and making it event-only.

    What I said was almost exactly what you said. No matter what kit you play, you can still do they main playstyle - hunting. No matter what kit you play, the game feels the same if you hunt. The only way the game feels different is if you change your playstyle, but that has almost nothing to do with kits as any kit can hunt, tower or trap. Some are better designed for each playstyle (especially with trapping, it's hard to trap if you're not a trapping kit but still possible), but you can still do any playstyle with any kit.
     
  18. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    https://www.brawl.com/threads/72978/
    Read that, I think that'd be good for this discussion.
     
  19. X_SUS

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    i like the hg here. it starts with 2 people and still no one plays it
     
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    Its as easy as that: Pay 10 youtubers 50-100$ and thell play and make some videos. It worked out quite good for the small server i had. I got 1.5× the money back i dont understand brawl seriously
     
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