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  1. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    So I was recently banned for modified KB, I didn't really care about the ban itself although I was interested in the proof so I could most likely humiliate the staff member that banned me as it was most likely false, so to receive the evidence I made an appeal asking for the proof. I was given 0 proof and this was what I was told, "No evidence has been permitted to be sent." Myself being the player that is banned, I have every right to see the proof if there even is any as i'm the only person that can break down the evidence to prove my ban to be false since brawls staff has proven more than once to be VERY INCOMPETENT and to be lacking iq points. Either way I made another appeal in which I explained that my "modified KB" could've been caused by multiple factors and they had no way to pin it down on anything without actually screensharing me which would give them proof of whether or not I was using anything which they can't/did not do. This appeal was denied without giving me any reasoning so i'm just forced to think that whoever banned me got pushed into a corner/most likely knew the ban was false and didnt know how to answer my appeal so they simple denied it w/o a valid reasoning or giving my any reasoning at all. I'd just make another appeal but if I bring out more publicly, it gets thought through better and seen by more people therefore I can't simply be given a "Appeal has been denied!"
     
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  2. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    do staff have to record modified kb? probably yes, but if not, probably should
     
  3. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    it shouldnt matter what the offense is, everything should be recorded and if there isnt cold hard evidence, it's considered a false ban in my books.
     
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  4. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    uh if some1 is flying just ban loll no need to record that ****
     
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  5. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Yes, staff should have to record as it is one of those more controversial topics with all the different ways to reduce kb. Not sure how many do though.
    As for the appeal, not sure what got you banned but there is a chance it could have been a player report and therefore you were given no proof out of privacy.
     
  6. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    what's the point in the appeal system if you aren't allowed to view what got you banned

    the appeal system is completely broken in terms of false bans for hacking. you get false banned for blink or xray? you get no proof or date as to when it happened, so you can't even defend yourself. the only use for the appeal system as of now is for people who have been banned for a while and claim that they "changed" after they admitted to hacking. if you got false banned for cheating and you weren't recording your POV you're basically ****ed.

    a way to fix the "privacy" issue is to have the staff reupload the video on a private youtube account, and blur out player names in the tab. if no staff members know how to make a basic edit to a video for whatever reason, have someone from the media team commit to that seeing as how most of them do nothing currently.
     
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  7. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    i know the video, and it's the same kb i take omegalul

    edit: cant show vid cause im not a scumbag but it should be shared because of the person who recorded it, all i gotta say
     
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    have done your privacy thing before, me and snacks where the only ones who did it way back when
    but i mean this has always been a problem, and people just refuse to show proof even tho there’s easy ways around it.

    (btw ur a hackerman) But it should be pretty obvious you don’t, and im GUESSING it’s a new / mod who’s not strong on kit

    so basically it’s just staff being lazy, it’s really not a privacy issue
     
  9. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    Alright, ban every single player on kitbrawl then cause most of the known players take the exact same kb as me.

    Exactly, I should be able to see the proof that got ME banned and after the staff team has proven to be incompetent and braindead on more than one occasion and therefore I should be able to debug the proof.

    it's most likely @Removers but regardless of who it is, they're most likely too scared to be absolutely humiliated lol

    kinda what i've done with every staff member that's done something stupid
     
  10. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    This probably doesn't help anyone's case on why some proof gets a denial of being shared... What if this was to happen to one of our players? We cannot risk a player getting harassment from others because they recorded evidence to get someone banned.

    Drawing more attention to a ban doesn't help to prove or gather evidence for yourself, it causes players to flame, get angry and heated without knowing the full situation themselves. I understand you may not like the factor of not being able to see the evidence of your ban from my own experience but I also understand you have to respect the decision of players not wanting to share proof especially towards people who harass players, are toxic and admit to wanting to humiliate them on a thread.
     
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  11. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    if you're afraid of humiliation or harassment on a minecraft server, the real worlds gonna be a ***** for you rofl

    Regardless, brawl's known for its false bans and biased bans as well and I wouldnt doubt my ban falls between that considering that not only do most kitbrawl players have KB that's similar to mine, you do too.
     
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  12. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I mean let's be real here I've been banned for some stupid **** but getting banned by a KitBrawl mod when I was playing Anchor on HG was pretty funny, plus I was once banned for autosoup and after being shown the evidence you could see I didn't even open my inventory (it was a one-bar fight). Personally a replay system would be pretty good for that kind of ban - save the replay and, if the ban is appealed within 14 days, it can be shown.
     
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  13. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Yes, the real world has criticism and people who harass others. That doesn't take away the factor of an individual being less capable or not wanting harassment.
     
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    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    i'll drop the topic of someone being afraid of words although i get that words arent completely harmless, whoever the said individual is that's scared of words needs to toughen up to get anywhere in life, i'll repeat myself though. Regardless, brawl's known for its false bans and biased bans as well and I wouldnt doubt my ban falls between that considering that not only do most kitbrawl players have KB that's similar to mine, you do too.
     
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  15. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    how is he gonna try to go against his ban if he cant see the video, anyways I have the clips recorded of my own pov after being told to "clip it" i can show him lmao
     
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    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    show me

    or you could always pm me who had the original clip :^)

    @Removers brawl staff members seem to have this thing where once they're pushed into a corner they just completely shutup, quite amazing indeed
     
  17. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Staff are not required to show evidence for their bans because we have received countless threats, harassment and illegal activity (DoX/DoS) for bans. Considering you're saying this:

    You're part of the reason why you're not entitled to seeing your evidence.

    If I received some of the threats and harassment that I receive in-game from people I know in real life, I'd take legal action against them. I've literally had people threaten to get a "black hat hacker to ruin my life". I've also seen 14 year old staff members get DoX'd by a 25 year old script-kiddie, and I've seen a father of 4 young children get SWAT'd for things that happened over Minecraft. Three times.

    That's not what the real world is.
     
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  18. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    I suggest you do what I suggested:
     
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    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    First issue I'd see with that is the time it'd take to do it. Sometimes we have hours and hours of footage for just 1 person when they're using low settings; it's hard enough to get staff to even want to watch through all of it because of how long it is, let alone have to edit out names throughout the whole of the video. In fact, in Xion's case, as his appeal literally started with (paraphrased) "I don't really care about getting unbanned", even with this suggestion in place I doubt we would've bothered going through the evidence.

    Another issue is if it's in first person (most evidence is, and first person evidence is better), the player in question could quite easily remember the fight and who they were against (especially if they were recording at the time). There's not really a way to stop this, and as there are certain people on Brawl who are pathetic enough to DoX children, they'd be pathetic enough to go to any extent to figure out who contributed to their ban.

    I come from a cyber-security background and work in a very secure site, so the latter issue may be far-fetched and unrealistic. When I think about security like this it's a matter of "if it could happen, it's a major issue" but obviously on a Minecraft server this is not necessarily the case.
     
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  20. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    staff members shouldn't be uploading hours of footage, they should either only upload the part that got the player banned or put a timestamp on when it happened. if there's a timestamp, it's easy to just edit everything else out and then blur the rest out. as for the "they might remember" part, most people are going to remember either way, there's no stopping this. so there's literally no point in not giving out evidence with names blurred, because otherwise there's no point in the appeal system for false bans.
     
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