broken appeal system

i dont even blame him; the fire started when a player who has already been proven a cheater tried to make a silly destructive comeback and tried to **** up the one time staff did something right. lets keep em on the right track. i dont wanna lose the ounce of pride i have for the staff team

ive yet to see any of the proof that i've been banned for in the past (take away the one time where the moderator himself specifically spoke to me about his own evidence, but that was one of many times). i definitely haven't seen any of the proof that's been recorded of my main account. however i'm still here, so something isnt adding up. dont get me wrong, its still stupid i cant see it, but your conclusion is way skewed

 

saw no instances that told me he was cheating. I've teamed with xion many times (on warz) and wouldn't play with him if he was cheating. he's been screenshared, and hasn't cheated on brawl in a longass time

not sure what you mean about "reach", I watched both videos to the end and saw none whatsoever so that's probably an accusation with no proof from one of your sweaty in game encounters

"I've been trying to get him banned since day 1" that's honestly one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on this forums
the fact I now know he wasn't cheating tells me that the first time he killed you was legitimate, and that you thought he was hacking because you died. several mods (former and current) have said that they take the same knock back in fights such as those, so don't talk to tough badger about "bias" when you've literally been trying to get xion banned by any means necessary just because he killed you fairly in a fight

 

In regards to this instance specifically: Unless something changed while I was inactive, I was told that staff do not ban for knockback related cheats unless the player is taking NO knockback.

Speaking on the broader topic, I believe that transparency is very important. I understand that it may not be efficient to do what Tall suggested (blurring out names, anonymous channel, etc.) but staff members are supposed to serve the community. If a player is banned and does not dispute it, fair enough. The issue is when a player is banned with recorded evidence and is not permitted to see it. Imagine you are charged with shoplifting. You know the instance in which it possibly occurred, or maybe you don't. Regardless, you are being held accountable for this instance. In the United States, you are fully allowed to view the evidence against you in order to make a defense.
Not going to point out names here, but there are some staff members that don't exactly have the most neutral point of view on many bans. For them, there is no reason to support the unbanning of a player who they dislike, especially if they have to go out of the way to do it.

tl;dr
A staff member should be obligated to show a player evidence for their ban if requested. There should be things done to preserve the anonymity of the staff member if they so choose, but the player should have a right to see why they were banned.

 

You teamed with him on warz? So you WEREN'T fighting him, and you were playing with him on a server with guns? And you're friends with him.

Wanna talk about bias??? Wow, you're reliable.

I have 500 deaths on kit. Sorry to disappoint but I haven't hackusated anyone 500 seperate times. And regardless of the fact that he tosses me across the map with his blatant reach, I still usually end up winning, just like I did in my proof. The only unrealistic accusation that's being thrown around is that you think I'm hackusating out of anger or spite.

I know it doesn't look like reach to you because I don't share your love for quake pro but I assure you you're ignorant.

You wanna know what closet reach looks like? I have a perfect video for you. He doesn't even look nearly as bad as Xion (and that's saying something since my speed 2 is giving me higher fov!) but I sure did get him banned off Badlion just like I got Xion banned off of Brawl!

Oh, but I'm trading with him, comboed the mess out of him at parts, and even BEAT him!!! So he either must be legit, or I'm cheating, or I'm just mad. Yea, I'm mad.



How about we come to an agreement by saying that the server should allow players to see the evidence that got them banned, of which I was so generous to provide?

 

You give and gave hits just like that. If Xion was banned for the evidence that you provided then you should be as well.

 

No, sorry, I most definitely did not send attack packets while standing more than 3.00 blocks away from another player. Ever.

I didn't on Badlion either with the example video I provided, which is why I have no valid cheating bans in Badlion history, or any server for that matter.

Please excuse me, but you can't just pull things out of your ass thinking you can throw it at my face.

 

I've fought him many times and teamed with him many times, and as I said if he was cheating I would not team with him (I don't need another ride along ban). Doesn't matter if I'm friends with him, I still like him as a person even if he does get banned because I don't live on this server 24/7 like you do apparently

You've been muted twice for hackusating players, and in order to get muted for that you'd have to do it quite a lot. In the videos you died quite a few times as well. Not once in the videos provided did you get knocked across the map with "blatant reach".

I play on FOV 90 and I've been playing a lot longer than your sorry ass so I do believe you're the ignorant one in this situation seeing as how you're obviously biased.

I don't know what type of sh*t you're smoking but that looks a lot more blatant than Xion's video. Your statement saying "this doesn't look nearly as bad as Xion" just dropped any credibility your opinions might have had to nothing. Nothing looked "sketchy" in Xion's video, the reach was blatant in the other video you posted.

How about we come to an agreement that only competent players are allowed to submit hackusation reports? Because from what you've told me you're either:
a) high
or b) completely braindead.

 

No matter what I think of you your roasts are fantastic

Anyhow, to try and get this lovely little conversation back on topic - Xion was evidently not banned without careful consideration and needs to be able to dispute the evidence or counter it.

 

Ok, cool, and you're still biased.

Excuse me? http://prntscr.com/jf1pgc

You realize the number of cheaters I've been in the presence of on this server is much higher than the amount of times I've hackusated? There is no little checked box next to my mutes saying "this is a false accusation". Oh, and my latest mute is MONTHS ago, so I guess I haven't said anything too frequent in several months!

Your screen is warped. http://prntscr.com/jf1r0x
You: "My screen isn't VERY warped, it's only PRETTY warped." Why are you even offended that I called this out? Why didn't you spend the keystrokes on an explanation that you're capable of recognizing the proportions between different FOV's? I would've believed you, won't now though.

https://gyazo.com/58b6293836be8c420e3b89c2c9639110
If I had 90 FOV during this fight, I might've traveled back in time.

You've got a whopping 4 month lead on me according to our first join dates. Difference is, I joined this server as an experienced soup player to play MCPVP, while you joined this server to play with a guns plugin, and you're still playing it to this day. In fact, I think you play it every day. http://prntscr.com/jf1pgc I'm sorry but if you think you're more experienced in the game, whether it be how good you are or how well you can determine whether or not someone's cheating, I guarantee you'd hackusate me within seconds of fighting me.

I expected you to make up something to say about that video.
https://gyazo.com/8a10bbeafec8268d99ad103dd5af4e8c
Was only able to do this about 20 times to this guy throughout the course of a four minute video. Was only able to do it to Xion about zero times throughout the course of ever, meanwhile he's done it to me worse than I did it to this poor cheater dude!
Edit: Woops! I lied, I managed to do it while he was refilling and not swinging at me.

And you're either:
a) Ignorant
b) Mad
c) Both

I am enjoying our friendly debate, I'm glad you've decided to be so kind

I believe SoCool explained to you numerous times (in a very mature and respectable fashion) that he was indeed banned with quite careful consideration.

 

Soup player? On which account please?

 

On this one.
http://prntscr.com/jf2a9b
As if Brawl's join date matters.

 

Says an accusation with no support or evidence

This is from the old McWar when I actively played. Even back then I didn't play 24/7, I was just good at the game. Something you obviously are not. In other words, this is from 2016. Try again kiddo

Congrats, you've hackusated actual cheaters. That's a first! Except for the fact it doesn't matter if they were actually cheating since all you need to do is report and get them banned instead of acting like the 12 year old you are in game. Doesn't matter how many months ago this was, we both know you still do it and just don't get muted for it because half the mods don't give a sh*t.

Not sure what that image is supposed to show, 1) That's not FOV 90 and 2) that's not even me.

Notice how he wasn't banned for this, it's because it's not reach.

I joined Brawl in 2012 bud, you might want to check your "join dates" again. Again, making accusations with no support other than a stats board for a gamemode that hasn't had a good player base since 2015. That's also the last time I played War a sh*tload, while still maintaining a life. I haven't played this server actively in a year or so. You can't say the same, get a job loser lmao

The fact you joined in 2013 and I have never seen you before on Brawl tells me all I need to know.

By the way, if you're still going for staff, I wouldn't bother anymore /shrug

One more thing, I joined when this server was known as Multiplayer servers and had an Enjin forums. This was 2012 and most of 2013. The fact you don't know about this tells me what I need to know as well, but keep trying.

 

You're now arguing about almost nothing related to the topic of this thread but I like seeing what things you'll think up to say so I'll continue.

http://prntscr.com/jf2feq
It's bad if I have to feed a definition down your throat.

At this point you're just spewing extreme and illogical exaggerations.

As opposed to acting like a 12 year old on the forums?

"you're not legit" "you're completely braindead"
. ¯\_ツ_/¯

If you're going to try to tell me that I'm the one wasting away on my computer when you have over 100 thousand kills (and who knows how many hours) on WarZ regardless of what date they were earned (or spent) then you should choose your battles more carefully. See, I can just as easily throw your argument back at your face:

I don't see any data anywhere that says you don't still play 24/7. And even if you were telling the truth...dude, 130k kills is not some tiny thing to poke at. That is some serious waste. Any normal person looking at that would be concerned. Even I didn't expect to see that big of a number when I peeked at your profile.

Here's your next definition: https://prnt.sc/jf2itb
Here's what 90 FOV looks like on my screen: https://prnt.sc/jf2ip7
Here's why my normal FOV looks like on my screen: http://prntscr.com/jf2uf8
Here's you trying to comprehend: http://prntscr.com/jf2jk1
If that's not you, my bad, it's what came up when I googled you. Either way 90 FOV is warped.

Notice how he is currently banned, and how several staff put you down several times after you attempted to claim that they did not give proper consideration.

Sorry, forgot join dates mattered. You're wrong anyway. http://prntscr.com/jf2leu
You have 130k kills, that's not a life. I can't say the same for that, unfortunately. I have less than one tenth of your count. And you're trying to make me out to be the one that has no life... Yikes! What would you call me if I were at your level of waste? And I do have a job, and getting an interview for a second one at CC's coffee tomorrow ^_^ Here's this month's income for the job I already have! http://prntscr.com/jf2lui (Was only working one day a week since I had school!)

Hah! Even the few people that hate me (not that many now that people realize I'm legit) admit that I'm good if not the best on the server! Not my words! Xion himself made note of me before I even began replying to this thread! http://prntscr.com/jf2o9h

I guess I use some good minecraft pvp techniques! And if that's not good enough for you, in my forum signature I literally have a link to my video in which I got first place on Arcane. It is not the only server I've achieved #1 on either, I have some other videos on those.

Shame on me, I'm a loser and a complete idiot for not playing the server every day like you. (Also please stop contradicting yourself, what is it? Do I play or do I not play?)

The moment I realized that Brawl cannot properly choose staff members (especially kit moderators) is the moment I decided to no longer apply. If I felt differently, I would've applied again in February.

You're so cool He knows of Enjin

I realized you messed up one of the quotes and placed your own words in my quotation. How glad I am I found it; there's a beautiful cookie inside. http://prntscr.com/jf2qom

Typically, people with reach are harder to hit. It's common sense. And that gyazo gif of me comboing the dude on Badlion; I straightlined him. It's not the aim game my dude.

Have I not said Xion is ten times better than me? I only emphasized that it's quite magical indeed. If you knew who I was other than a forums instigator, you'd think it was pretty magical too.

I'm glad you're enjoying this debate, so am I!

If you think I'm desperate to keep Xion banned, at least I'm not as desperate as you to get home from middle school and play WarZ all day.

Everyone gets their **** kicked in by cheaters on this game. Only difference is usually I still win anyway

SoCool is NOT the only staff member that supported the staffs' decisions.[/QUOTE]

 

[/QUOTE]
https://www.brawl.com/purchases/Jeaton/
Hmm, no HG kits purchased, no CTF classes, no KitPvP soup passes, no pets, no ranks back from MCPvP.
Nice try son. Go back to the shadow from whence you came (aka some PotPvP server).
"ex-MCPvP" haha

 

I'm friends with him outside of Minecraft. Doesn't mean I'd play with a cheater and/or encourage it. It's bad that I have to get this fact through that thick skull of yours.

Doesn't seem very illogical based on your posts on this thread.

Constant hackusations sounds a bit more like a 12 year old than calling somebody "braindead", as if a 12 year old would even have that term in their vocabulary. I'm turning 18 in a month, by the way.

1) It's on War, not on WarZ
2) I probably have a ton of hours racked up on War from years ago
3) Need proof I stopped playing War? The server which you picked the stats from is not even up anymore.
4) It isn't hard to get that amount of kills in War. It might be on PvP servers, but PvP servers don't have kill streaks that kill the entire enemy team (which was sometimes around 50 players) in 1 second. You don't play war and probably never have, so don't assume you know what you're talking about.
5) You can check in game logs if you bothered to research instead of talking out of your ass. Or honestly just hop on and ask anybody if they see me play everyday, either one

And this matters why? Judging from YOUR video, where you had your "normal" FOV, it wasn't reach. We're not talking about one of my "warped" videos, we're talking about yours. Sorry if I'm mistaken, but you didn't show tab once in the video showing Xion's connection or his ping. There are constant visual glitches on the server as well (I know because staff have quite the hard time getting those fixed). Any number of these could apply to that, it's not sufficient evidence. The only reason Xion is still banned at the moment is because of the staff member who banned him who doesn't want to rack up another false ban.

Notice how he is currently banned for "Enhanced KB" and not "Reach". Notice how several other staff members have told you that they take the same KB as Xion. And so far I've only seen one decent staff member tell me that it was "taken into careful consideration".

Like I told you, the join date on this site is for the newer forums and newer server that came out late 2013. Before that was a separate forums and server. This forums didn't track back that far, you could ask putty if you'd like. Like I said before, getting that amount of kills isn't hard whatsoever. I haven't even played the server actively in a long time, doesn't matter how many kills I have. You don't know how the server works, so once again, don't assume ****.

Judging from what you've told me, you do play. A lot. Every day apparently, yet I've never heard of you.

Graduating from high school in less than a month, haven't played this server actively in a long time. Get it through your head random

 

Listen, I'm sure you don't encourage cheating. I'm not trying to say you do; you must be missing the point. But each and every response you make only fortifies that you have a strong friendly bond with the guy (which, who knows, I might think he's a nice guy if I knew him personally, too!) which is the basis of a bias. You might not encourage cheating, but your opinion of whether or not he cheats is most definitely skewed because of this bias.

You've consistently made remarks about how you think I am as a person while on a thread meant to discuss someone's ban for cheating, even though you know nothing about me. Ex. Get a job, you're braindead, you're high, you live on this server, etc. Anything I've said about you as a person was in retaliation, such as me pointing out your 130 thousand kills and saying you have no life for it. And I actually pulled out something tangible for you to defend yourself (regardless if I believe it, I don't) such as your statistics. You're trying to sound clever with your "roasts" or whatever, but you're not actually succeeding in getting your points across. Shown by your exceeding amount of cursing. It makes you look mad, and it makes me feel as if I'm winning an argument against three underage minecraft players. I thank you for this. Grant it, you said you're almost 18, but I'm not gathering that myself from your uneducated "roasts" of responses.

Except we are missing any and all context from any of my hackusations, and any and all proof that I even constantly hackusate. Two mutes for hackusating could be the cause of many other scenarios. Months ago, everyone on the server thought I was the cheater. And not all of them were legit themselves. It's very easily appropriate to defend myself against a hypocrite. And they wouldn't hesitate to report me for it. Xion himself has hackusated me before (several of the public accounts I had used). He's trying to act like he didn't use me as an example of a good player, but that's fine. You definitely can't comment on it, since you've already previously said that it requires techniques (and therefore skill) to reduce knockback.

Alright, so you don't specifically play War then. But, that by no means proves that you aren't wasting away somewhere else. And the fact that you have all those kills leads me to believe that you are wasting away somewhere else. I simply just don't believe that you walked around getting 50 kills every second, and I don't care to listen to anything else you have to say about it, because having no life is something that YOU attempted to throw at me, and it's not something I chose to argue about. I don't know you and you don't know me, yet you're basically trying to tell me that we do. It's ludicrous. I don't even care if you're wasting away. Have fun.

I'm not talking about your warped videos either. The point I tried to make, is that if you regularly play with 90 FOV, then reach looks much different to you than it does on my screen, due to you being accustomed to a warped screen. And it's not hard to tell that Xion was not lagging in my videos. Regardless of what ping he had (it was visibly low, as his knockback was not delayed), it was still a consistent and non-fluctuating ping. Oh, and, higher ping and lag doesn't tick a little box next to your name on the server that says "give player more reach". DeKrah/23kss (300ms Australian player) thought there was, but he's not here anymore either.

The only staff member that said anything about anyone taking the same KB as Xion was Jay, who's currently no longer a staff member, and has false banned me in the past himself.

And like I've told you, I didn't know that Brawl's join dates mattered! I didn't know that the day you joined Brawl determines how experienced at melee combat on minecraft in general! So why are you still trying to argue about your join date? It gives you no form of validity whatsoever. I don't need to know how Brawl's server worked in 2013, or even how Brawl's server works today to know that someone is using reach against me.

I've said very clearly I'm more experienced than you. Not in any way have I said that I play War, or anything on Brawl more than you. I don't HAVE to play more than you to be more experienced than you. Some people learn faster than others, and I assure you, you did not learn more than me about melee combat during your time grinding the mess out of a guns server.

Congratulations. So am I. And if you're so stuck to trying to convince me you don't play anymore, I'm not sure why you're still here trying to argue with me.

You can think I'm a random if you want. I could bring up how I upload almost never and get overwhelming support from many people including famous players without trying. Or I could tell you to join kit and ask who I am, because as long as there aren't a bunch of first-timers on, you'll ring bells. But I genuinely don't care about my minecraft reputation, hence why I barely upload on my channel that has so much support for its size. So, I implore you to continue calling me so. It's the only thing you've said that I'll allow you to believe is even remotely accurate. It makes me happy for you, and I'm flustered (in a good way) that you decided to add it at the end of your post as a finishing touch.

The only thing I've spent money on for minecraft ever other than my original account was my second account, Jatheo. And I bought it off an alt shop for like 3 dollars. I don't even have a cape, dude. Purchases mean nothing. I'm not going to waste my money on minecraft. And I rarely play CTF because I only play this server for soup, like I did back in 2013. The main reason I played CTF at all was to practice for a tournament that everyone on the server begged me to be in. And I'm a tank main, so there's really no need for extra classes. Purchases don't 100% accurately reflect loyalty, and loyalty is not associated with experience.

 

Anyone who played HG at all during a certain time period (the one in which you claim to have played) will by default own certain kits - Castaway, mainly. You also seem to never have used any of your playing credits, which leads me to believe that you either were so bad that you didn't earn any at all or didn't actually play. Either proves the point that @tallscot and I have been trying to get into your brain for the last few days.

 

js but i dont think experienced means what you think it means

 

I think I followed up that exact bolded statement with a fairly reasonable example. Let me actually repeat it, "Some people learn faster than others, and I assure you, you did not learn more than me about melee combat during your time grinding the mess out of a guns server."

Where in the world did I say I played HG? I played mcpvp's raid.