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  1. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Yeah so Melvin resigned today mainly bc he didn't get promoted to Smod or whatever (ask him for more details if you want, he posted a bunch of stuff in the raid discord if you want to see it). But anyways, this denial, or rather yet another poorly managed situation could have been handled differently and Brawl wouldn't have lost the most lovable trombone tooting melvin to exist. Side note: I know what happened here and have the conversations, so what I am saying is accurate. This thread also has no real connection to melvin, I am making this for my own reasons, based off of melvin's experience here.

    The issue:

    This situation was poorly managed for these reasons:

    - Long wait between responses in conversation (lasted over a month)
    - No real answers given, false hope / bs empty responses
    - Flawed logic of promotion system

    My suggestion:

    Get another staff manager already ffs. No offence meant to roke, but he isn't the most personable... person in the entire world. This does make him great at a lot of things, don't get me wrong, but as a staff manager, I don't think his personality really fits tbh. Cuddled was amazing at her job because she was so friendly and understanding. When I told her I wanted to resign a couple times before I actually did, she came up with compromises and actually talked me out of things. That's what a staff manager should do, compromise. She was pretty much always there to talk to us, and we could talk to her about anything too, she was extremely understanding and really was the staff Momager. Now, I am only going off of what I have seen with Melvin's situation here, and what I know of roke, and I'm pretty sure he isn't as... Cuddly (pls don't hate me). Melvin should never have had to chase roke for a response, especially after being given such lame empty answers to his questions to roke, and I think this point also ties in perfectly to the issue with staff applications being poorly managed too.... almost like a new staff manager is needed.......

    So after saying this, I think that Brawl needs an actual staff manager now - one that can be more available, understanding, and dedicated to being there for the staff team. This does not mean promoting another admin to the role, a new manager should exist where they will not have other duties interfering with the responsibilities of other positions. My suggestion, @xxMineSheepxx. Although she is the build team manager, the two roles are kind of similar in a sense, and she is quite chill from what I knew her as. I actually just realized she is the build team manager as well lol, but if the workload between the two roles would be too much, then needless to say it should be someone else (not sure who, but someone with the right personality).

    My final suggestion - stop bull****ting staff about promotions. I've said this a lot before, but really, why is brawl so damn sensitive about promoting existing staff? It costs nothing, ONLY BENEFITS BRAWL, and boosts the work ethic and moral of the staff. It's a volunteer position on a ****ing minecraft server, what's the big deal if you change someone's rank from Mod to Smod..... They want the rank to help brawl and to achieve goals. I know melvin wanted to do more events, interact with the community more, and just have another smod available for the server / rollbacks and what not. Do any of these goals hurt brawl?? HELL NO! He's been staff for over a year, has had no issues with abuse or any warnings given out, plus is/was doing well activity wise. He also had the community's support for ages, even since the last smod wave went out (or rather just when socool was promoted). Now, I'm sure someone is going to say "oh but eel is the raid manager you donkey". SO WHAT?? No offence to eel, but he hardly interacts with the community, partly because he has a large workload as an admin (say this seems to be a trend), so... why not promote someone to take over the role / help out?? They are friends and have worked together flawlessly for years, it would pose zero conflict if they both were "in charge" for raid... whatever that means lol. Its a team of people, not one person controlling it but whatever. TLDR I don't see any reasonable explanation to have not promoted him, and I think I've brought up every argument that's been used against him already, which are all bullsh*t anyways.

    I hope this thread isn't too ranty. I sort of said this in discord as well, but I feel like this issue has existed for far too long now, and we shouldn't be losing melvin for no reason. Hope this can get resolved soon, and that changes can be made before brawl loses another dedicated staff member.

    Here's the conversation btw in case if context is desired (as mentioned he posted this in the raid discord, I'm not leaking this without melvin's permission).

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    RIP MELVIN
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    A FRIEND, A STAFF MEMBER, A MEME
    26.12.2016 - 13.07.2018​
     
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  2. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    row row fight the power
     
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  3. Carsonn

    Carsonn #1 WarZ Looter

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    From a non-staff POV it looks like a trust issue that is one-sided (in a bad way).
     
  4. AnonymousGalaxy

    AnonymousGalaxy Raid Manager | Manager of Managing | Legacy

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    /shrug, I tried. Just hope they can improve from here on out.
     
  5. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    Roke just likes to dab on people, always been like that
     
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  6. Toki_12

    Toki_12 Well-Known Member

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    Amen sister
     
  7. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    The higher ups seem to treat the promoting system like it was in 2014, when we actually had a lot of staff and the server wasn't dying. If you can't trust somebody to be SMOD, they shouldn't be mod or staff in general. You should trust your staff members, they were accepted for a reason. If you have a GOOD reason to believe that they wouldn't be a good fit, due to history, experience, or whatever, sure don't promote them. But not promoting them for no reason whatsoever is killing the server. "They're not ready" sorry but this isn't 2014, it doesn't matter if they're ready or not the server needs managers or it'll last no more than another year.
     
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  8. synk

    synk Active Member

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    i'll bet you 10 bucks that some admin is just gonna come up with excuses and lock this thread
     
  9. DeadRhos

    DeadRhos Minimum Brain Size

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  10. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I get the distinct feeling that serious work and effort isn‘t necessarily recognized, partly due to changes not getttong coded no matter how good they are. It‘s a balance act and someone with less work load needs to take over :rage:
     
  11. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    There's currently no substitute staff manager. Perhaps that should be looked into?
     
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  12. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    That's what this thread is about. The problem with the idea of looking into it is that everyone that has asked roke to help has been told no. Trogs, 18kss, deadrhos, me, etc. I'm sure once we get a staff manager the situation with not accepting help will be fixed, but for now the issue that should be looked into is actually getting a staff manager.
     
  13. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    We do have a staff manager - Roke.
     
  14. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I apologize and should've rephrased. We need a new staff manager. One that isn't already head of the media team and wiki team and head of managers and probably head of warz and party. I forget what else he's head of, but we need someone else that can spend time answering applications and lessening the workload.
     
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  15. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    All lies, Dasky is Media-Team manager. xD
    Roke has nearly zero responsibilities, he's only Staff, Forums, Protocol, Wiki Team and Purchase Issue Manager, head of the staff, Putty's substitute, controlling Trello&Slack and probably making a few decisons about War, WarZ/WildWest, Party, Build and KitBrawl.
    You see - Roke can clearly work more and he isn't overhelmed with the staff management and the applications.

    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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  16. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I literally just coughed an olive up halfway across the room xD
     
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  17. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Confused here. Substitute as assistant?

    Also would appreciate your opinion @Lord_Roke
     
  18. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Yes.

    Every higher-up position has a substitute position, with the exception of Bans & Appeals manager, Events Manager and Server Manager. However, there are several higher-up positions where no-one is currently a substitute - Staff Manager being one of them.

    Roke's doing a decent job as a staff manager and I don't think he should be removed from the position; however, if exams are getting in the way of responding to staff issues and responding to staff apps in a suitable amount of time, there should be a substitute - after all, that's what they're there for.
     
  19. AnonymousGalaxy

    AnonymousGalaxy Raid Manager | Manager of Managing | Legacy

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    He’s doing a decent job as staff manager, however when it causes players to quit or even resign in my case then there’s an issue. Applications shouldn’t take over a month to resolve, staff members shouldn’t wait over a month for an answer, staff members’ work shouldn’t go unnoticed, and he shouldn’t be so uptight when it comes to promotions/people wanting to help. He has a lot of work, and he does a relatively good job considering everything he handles, but as staff manager I don’t think so. Cuddled was great - had the people’s skill, the time, and the management skill it took to handle the task. Like suggested, we need another staff manager or else issues like these will simply continue.

    See - this is part of the issue. Literally offering help and being told it’s “not an option.” Not only is it discouraging but kind of insulting when it’s worded that way.

    Now I’m not trying to hate on Roke - I respect him immensely for everything he’s done for Brawl, but a solution needs to be made or, like I said, the problem will only continue to get worse.
     
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  20. Doges

    Doges Ex-Mod, Ex-Builder

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    YES, THIS! The issue isn't lack of SMOD promotions, but there definitely is a lack of recognition present. SMOD shouldn't be the only recognition good mods get.

    Do you just expect them to give you admin for that? That wouldn't be how it works...
     
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