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Discussion in 'Discussion' started by xGhale, Jun 10, 2019.

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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Okay fair enough you guys have fully given up on HG at least leave the section open so I can still use it, you guys refused to admit that nothing was being done so you're quietly going about making sure people forget BrawlHG existed xd?
     
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  3. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Answer the question

    Also it's almost like the staff never actually gave a damn about HG in the first place :reversedsmiley:
     
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  4. Champloo

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    Lol its HG, get over it
     
  5. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    We did - it was the entire community who quit that didn't.
     
  6. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Might wanna consider why everyone left

    So, who removed it and why, you still have a bunch of the old ones around that are dead as hell

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  7. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    i think it's time for a new episode of Inspector Troggo
     
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    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I've answered this question so many times at this point, and I know that you're still going to return and continue to belittle the staff team regardless of what I tell you - but I'll take this opportunity as a way to cover everything. This will be my final response to all this.

    HG's playerbase started declining in about 2013. This was due to a mixture of HG not getting any fresh updates, people getting bored of HG, and the controversy regarding Admiral_Mason's demotion. McPvP absolutely could have done much, much better with their management of HG - but there is only 1 ex-McPvP staff member still around, and he has never had anything to do with HG. No-one on Brawl can be blamed for it's mismanagement on McPvP.

    HG was McPvP's main money-maker, and by the start of 2015, when McPvP made a monthly profit for the very last time, HG's playerbase had declined in popularity significantly. When McPvP was at it's peak, HG would get about 5,000 players. When Brawl purchased McPvP, HG was getting 500 players tops.

    McPvP is responsible for 90% of HG's decline. Brawl is responsible for being unable to prevent the final 10%.

    When Brawl first purchased McPvP, there were all sorts of issues regarding poor staffing and mis-management. I still recall someone posting on the McPvP forums after the merge was announced complaining about a rejected report where someone blatantly flew. I remember there were several false bans, and those false bans were handled very poorly - to the point where CTF staff ended up crowdfunding @pandanielxd's unban because the staff member who banned him would refuse to unban after loads of backlash.

    The failure regarding mis-management was a few things. Servers were very laggy back then, which pretty much ruined the experience for a lot of people. As well as this, Brawl simply didn't have enough resources to dedicate to HG in order to prevent the final 10%. They definitely tried, as seen here, here, here, here, here, here and here. But, as much as they tried, it is undeniable that we failed to prevent HG from declining further.

    So, what needed to be done? After 7 major updates to the game in a short timespan, HG was still unable to be revived. It was clear at this point that in order for HG to be revived, it needed an entire rework.

    I do not know why HG was not given a rework shortly after the last update I linked above. I did not become a staff member until August 2016, and I did not join Brawl's management until April 2018. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the reason why HG has not been reworked yet is because we do not have enough dev time.

    What's being done now? We already have plans written up for HG 2.0. The first time these plans were written were between @MattM1PVP, @Turmac and I, sometime back in 2017 - over 2 years ago. The second time was the same day I learned I was going to be promoted to SMod, which was some time in mid-March. The third time was the same week after HG was shut down. The fourth time was when I returned in September 2018. The fifth time will be some time in July.

    Since joining the staff team, I have done everything I can to revive HG. So did @Viva. So did MattM1PVP. So did Turmac.

    The only thing I could've done was clean up my act and get staff on Brawl back in 2015 so I could've helped sort out the mis-management, or hell, even back on McPvP so I could've helped stop the decline there. Even to this day I still regret the fact that I was immature and toxic and wasn't able to help out sooner.

    As for the future - I'm now working on trying to boost Brawl's popularity and income, with hopes that we'll have enough resources to spend the required dev time on getting a proper rework for HG. The only reason I joined Brawl was to revive McPvP's old gamemodes and I am not giving up yet. You'll know when I've given up, because I'll say so in a resignation thread.
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    That is everything there is to say about HG's decline. There's no more information for me to give you, and there are no more answers for you to find. The only thing I can do now to help you is by giving you this bit of advice - change, or give up and leave Brawl. You are not in a position to revive HG. You are barely in a position to influence it. Sort up your act, start playing one of our other gamemodes and apply for staff, then help with HG when the time comes. Or, get staff on PvP Dojo or Krymonota's new server and help them. If you aren't willing to do that, then for your sake - leave. You're wasting your time.

    One of our admins or devs removed the HG sub-forum. If there is anything in there that you want, please let me know and I will get it for you.

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    Update: The HG sub-forum can be found here: https://www.brawl.com/forums/270/
    If there is anything you want from there please save it. There are no plans to remove the HG sub-forum but we're not guaranteeing it'll remain up forever.
     
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