Souper buff

Overpowered for Soup HG and UP for No-soup .... I think that someone getting 4 soup instead of the 1 that another player would receive is slightly op , i would like to see this configuration :
2 uses of cocoa beans then 12 sec Cooldown ( Slightly less produce than above ) Each use can provide 3/4 cocoa beans
As for the Cacti and mushrooms i agree although no one will ever make giant shrooms ...

 

I have an idea: Let's delete it

Not all of the kits that were created were good ideas in the first place. Nobody is going to miss it, so delete it.

 

Your ideas are obviously so UGH ....... Regardless , you dont seem to understand that there is no reason to delete it , some people might want it , WHO ARE YOU to say what the community wants ????? Regardless if it earns Brawl some revenue its worth keeping . And if it is buffed that might be enough to make it popular

 

Okay you really startin to get on me nerves matey

Many veterans from MCPVP (not that I expect you to remember them) agreed with my ideas and most of them were a feasible way to make HG a better gamemode and not fail (By the way, they did fail because they didn't do anything to fix their god-awful server).

No reason to delete it? Ha!
When a new player joins the server and wants to see what kits are available, the will see OVER 100 KITS and think "w0w so many kits to choose from! I can't decide!".
Well guess what! Having 100 kits is great!...............................

If more than 20 of those kits were actually viable.

Honestly when's the last time you've seen someone use Plague? Much less, Souper? I bet I could count all of the Souper mains in one hand. Those 80 something kits that are completely worthless were milked out by MCPVP for quick money. Take League of Legends for example:

League of Legends was released sometime in 2009, and they only have 123 champions ("kits") total. They don't release a champion every week because that would deteriorate the game's balance, and guess what? It's a free-to-play game, similar to how HG is a free server to play, so it's still possible to make a profit without milking kits. And in case you didn't know, League of Legends is the most played pc game worldwide ( http://www.statista.com/statistics/251222/most-played-pc-games/ ), so it's not like they don't know what they're doing

THEY can manage 123 kits because no matter what champion a new player chooses, they won't be at a loss because you can still carry yourself to the highest elo using any champion you want if you're good enough (without taking into consideration that you might not always get the position you want).

If some fool looks at the website and thinks: "Hmm, I'll try Souper!". They will have little to no advantage over other players and think "wow this kit sucks" and likely leave.

And the non-existant Souper mains, they could cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it (hehe, harsh)

It's not too hard to just say "Hey we deleted this kit, have your credits back". HG without all of those crap kits is a better HG, and that's coming from the guy who spent 150 something dollars on those crap kits individually (I own 65 kits, all of which I bought individually a long time ago). They could delete half the kits I own and I wouldn't even care if they gave me compensation because I know it would improve HG.

 

I guess you could say that this is.. a super buff.

 

You make some pretty great points here and I like where you're coming from.
I think I agree that they should look at minimising the amount of kits (and to try compensate those who had those kits) to make the game more balanced and equal (as mentioned above). I don't think this should be looked for in the BETA stage, this is more of a release stage.

 

I have played HG since 2012 and have purchased over 80 kits 4 or so months of Pro and lifetime VIP ect. I have spent a total of 300$ on MCPVP and never had an issue with all of the kits . And please do explain how having purchased kits makes your opinion more valuable especially if the kit we are discussing is something you dont like OR own , how about WE DELETE GRAPPLER ??? That idea would actually improve HG ALOT my friend but that will never happen for obvious reasons . And no , Souper never was a viable kit simply because the HG meta is Everything<Mobility . You simply dont have the permission to speak for the community , say your opinion but dont act like everyone identifies with it . This thread is about buffing Souper , if you want to discuss removing kits make a thread for it ...

I guarantee you i could take a full iron who has 1 hotbar if i had a stone sword and an inventory of soup . Regardless Souper needs a buff !

 

Exactly , i would love to see this added !

 

Okay I don't think anyone really understands.

Souper is a bad kit, it's also a boring kit. You can make it a good kit, but there's nothing you can do to make it less boring.

My philosophy for thinking of kits goes: Ask yourself, why would somebody want to use this kit when they could use a kit that can summon lightning at will (other than "it's op")

Thor is an awesome kit, it also sells very well evident by the fact that people have been using it often from the time of it's release. In a server with kits that can shoot lightning, create ice bridges in the air, or shoot balls of fire, why would ANYONE want to use a kit that "Makes it easier to obtain soup" which is a VANILLA Minecraft item as well. The guy who had the idea for souper admitted he doesn't even like the kit, wanna know why people still throw out ideas when they aren't that special? The same reason why most of these "kit buff" threads exist. Because people want to be popular, that's what most of this is about, "popularity". People want to make a signature with all of the kits they thought of and say "Yeah, those were my ideas." Buffing souper isn't going to make it popular, it's just going to be less trash when people get it with Surprise. MCPVP dug HG into the trench that it is in terms of crap-kits, the most realistic way to fix the horrible game balance is by literally wiping the slate clean and salvaging the few good kits.

lol

"no offense"

You just contradicted your self within 2 sentences.

"We can't remove Grappler"
"Mobility is OP in HG"

And using the word "meta" for HG would be under the assumption that HG actually had any balance or cognitive thought put into it.

This community doesn't know what's best for it

"No-Soup HG sucks!" (In beta)
"No-Soup HG is the best!"(a while after release)

"Give us Adventurer!" (during that idiotic poll)
"This kit sucks! We didn't want this one!"(after release)

At this point, it's not what the community WANTS but what it NEEDS. I said the exact same thing about MCPVP and GUESS WHAT?! MCPVP DOESN'T EXIST!!

I'm not trying to change this server, I don't even play minecraft anymore. My goal is to persuade ONE person, and maybe, just maybe, they would try to continue what I did and try to raise awareness. I used to think the same way you did, and the same way most people in this subcategory think, "Every kit can be buffed!". That was until I finally understood the cold truth that Stripey98 (A long time HG veteran) was trying to get across. After getting great feedback from his topic that focused on the subject but still NO changes planned or even considered, he admitted that HG was hopeless. I tried to continue his legacy, but the only other people that agreed with his ideas were the unspoken minority, even BadBoyHalo thought the same way but everyone hated him for proposing such ideas.
Stripey's ideas were similar to mine but he didn't propose anything too drastic in order to not be shot down immediately. After he left I took them to a new extreme that he even approved but he knew that NOTHING was going to be done, and he was right, and mcpvp doesn't exist. I probably should've given up this fight a long time ago, but I loved mcpvp for the longest time that I didn't want to see it die as a shell of it's former self (it did). When it moved to brawl I thought, "Maybe these people will have a better understanding". Unlike brawl, the vast majority of the MCPVP community were long-time veterans and I forgot that the rest of Minecraft mini-game servers were full of a bunch of skids.

And by the way, I have no idea who the balls you are and I have very vivid memory of the mcpvp community so you're either some random veteran, a random poser, or Cobble_Fun but you changed your name so you can annoy me under a new alias.


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I thought i was talking to a sensible community member but apparently you are not . My point is you are trying to remove a kit that bothers no one ! So to make my point i said that if i suggested to remove Grappler everyone would freak out on me even though if we took income out of the equation it would improve the gamemode across a majority of aspects ... Why remove Souper when it can just be buffed ??? And there is no contradiction in those sentences , perhaps you should look in to what i say and not take it out of context to make your point

 

The Souper kit is under powered, and it does need a buff, so I think this is good, because by half time in the game, mostly everyone already has a full inventory of soup.