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Kit: Squire

Discussion in 'Ideas' started by Slithium, Jul 14, 2015.

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Should this become a kit?

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  1. Slithium

    Slithium Wild West Sheriff | Revive HG

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    Squire
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    Starting Equipment:
    - Piercing Blade (renamed wooden sword)

    Update: Oh, and to clear things up: ONLY the STARTING wooden sword can pierce through armor. NOT a diamond sword, NOT an iron sword, NOT a stone sword, and NOT a regular wooden sword.

    ...So it's not really that O.P..


    Description:

    The Squire kit starts you off with a Piercing Blade that ignores armor when hitting opponents with at least one armor piece. This kit can be especially helpful late-game. However, you only deal 50% total damage against completely unarmored opponents, even if you aren't using your Piercing Blade. Example: You hit a non-armored opponent with an iron sword ----> only does 1 and a half - 2 hearts of damage. You then hit an opponent with only a helmet. You damage from your Piercing Blade ignores their armor and you still deal 3 and a half hearts of damage. After that, you hit a player with full iron armor. Your Piercing Blade also ignores their armor and does 3 and a half hearts of damage.

    Strategies:
    - Easily take out everyone at the feast!
    - Take out teams with full armor late-game!
    Counter:
    - Don't wear armor when fighting a Squire!

    Extra Notes: It's not really OP if you think about it, 'cause people could just wear no armor when fighting you. (Just look at the chat when a Squire kills somebody)

    I hope you like my kit idea!
     
    #1 Slithium, Jul 14, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2015
  2. Andrwe

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    I think having to take off armor will completely screw you if against multiple people. It would be a very unbalanced team. Dealing 3.5 hearts is diamond sword damage. Imagine early game being fighting someone with a diamond sword...you lose.

    I DO really think a kit that pierces armor is good though, this just needs adjustments IMO.
     
  3. rmure

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    Squires would rise over if this was added, because ppl would go squire just to take down classes meant to be able to withstand damage, not wearing armor wouldn't be a good counter because the squire might tag team with stronger classes.
     
  4. Slithium

    Slithium Wild West Sheriff | Revive HG

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    I might adjust it a bit, but who in HG would have a diamond sword early game?
     
  5. Andrwe

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    I am saying Squire would be equal to having a diamond sword during early game, sorry if I am not too clear.
    If you bypass their armor and do 3.5 hearts, it is just hitting someone with a diamond sword.
     
  6. Slithium

    Slithium Wild West Sheriff | Revive HG

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    *Iron sword.
     
  7. rmure

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    Skate is right, a diamond sword does 3.5 (7) hearts damage, the iron sword does prob 3 (6) hearts damage so
     
  8. Slithium

    Slithium Wild West Sheriff | Revive HG

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    I may be wrong, but if i'm correct a diamond sword is +7 damage, which is 4 hearts.
     
  9. rmure

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    6 damage= 6 half hearts, which is 3 hearts. Seven damage with diamond sword, 6+1=7, 1 damage= 1 half heart. 0.5=half. Dia sword is 3.5
     
  10. Andrwe

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    8 would be 4 hearts.
    7 / 2 = 3.5.

    [​IMG]
    This just happened to be the first picture I found that was missing hearts, and it was the correct amount!
     
  11. Viva

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    It's a good concept for a kit, I like the idea of a kit that can ignore armor. It's just that I can see this being really powerful in a team, as you'd either have to take off your armor and be at a disadvantage to the non-Squire, or leave your armor on and be at a disadvantage to the Squire.
     
  12. Slithium

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    I see what you mean... But don't all kits have strategies like that?

    Was that with the iron sword, or the diamond one?
     
  13. rmure

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    Diamond
     
  14. MattM1PVP

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    It's very OP if you team with someone who isn't a Squire
     
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    Slithium Wild West Sheriff | Revive HG

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    But what if you lured the non-squire and killed them with armor, and then took the armor off and easily killed the squire?
    #Logic4Dayz

    Oh, and to clear things up: ONLY the STARTING iron sword can pierce through armor. NOT a diamond sword, NOT a regular iron sword, NOT a stone sword, and NOT a wooden sword.

    ...So it's not really that O.P..
     
  16. MattM1PVP

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    1. It's not easy to separate a team, go try that.
    2. If only the starting iron sword can pierce armour, that's even worse. They can go around with a regular sword and the one you spawn with, and when they take off their armour, they use the regular sword, when they put on their armour, they use the Squire sword

    I see potential in this kit, just need to change a bit
     
  17. Rytheria

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    I've heard the concept of "armour piercing weapons" quite a few times from memory and I believe they got shot down every time. Personally, I don't think it should be added because it would give the user too much of an advantage, especially if they are in teams. Teams with good communication aren't easily broken in a HG game, so the only way I would see a (reasonably) balanced fight would be against a gladiator.

    Perhaps if this were tweaked slightly if it may be acceptable, but at the moment I don't see potential in it as it would be too much of a dramatic game changer.
     
  18. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    Maybe the weapon does a maximum of 2.5 hearts?
     
  19. Rytheria

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    That could be interesting, it really depends on a testing phase in my opinion. It's very difficult to judge a kit like this theoretically, without the practical side. (if that makes sense ~)
     
  20. Slithium

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    Or maybe a wooden sword?
     
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