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Ray Debuff, Yuck!

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by Jaetpack1, Dec 6, 2015.

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Should the Ray Gun/Demolisher be re-buffed?

  1. Yes, I would like to have it back to the same way it was

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  2. Yes, but maybe balence it a bit better then taking away from the rate of fire (reply what and why)

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  3. No, I think the debuff was smart and the gun should NOT be re-buffed

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  1. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    You don't need to de-buff the other side if one side is weaker.

    I'm not implying anything. But the fact that infects win on most maps does not necessarily mean the game is unbalanced: While the infects can only get a limited amount of kills, the survivors can get infinite kills because infects can respawn. Means the last survivors might not survive and win the game, but they still get a lot of kills.

    OOM spots will of course be removed just like any bug. And usually the survivors are using spider hacks in infect to get to overpowered camper spots, not the infects. However, spider hack is illegal so we will not take it into account when changing guns.

    Don't know how super armor is related to suicide glitching, but this is a prohibited glitch so we will not take it into account. Again, you need to look at both sides: The zombies have C4 and grenades, the survivors have Minigun and RayGun. It is not like the RayGun is totally useless after the nerf.

    I have been playing War for 3 years and I am still on the leaderboard, so I wouldn't say that I rarely played the game. It is true that I wasn't very active in 2015, but especially in the last month I was on almost daily. And you can learn a lot about the community and what they want by reading the discussion and suggestion threads.
    But of course I did not just decide all that alone.

    Before this update,
    - a public poll asking for the preferred gamemodes was held. This influenced the gamemodes of the new maps as well as the map that were removed.
    - a conversation with War staff members, War map creators and experienced War players (including @Lekosa1 and @sjuka_legogubbar) was created, discussing map changes and removals.
    - multiple War staff members looked at each of the maps to check for OOMs and balance problems.
    - I talked to multiple War players and staff members to see what they think about the CTF and RayGun changes.

    I have seen you myself atleast 2 times just in the last month, but as stated above already due to the timezone difference, the amount of servers and just the fact that of course I'm not online all the time, you will not see me every time I'm on.

    Definitely not. Forums moderation can be very complicated and is quite important in my opinion. I also do enjoy it more then for example in-game chat moderation.

    We had plans to buff SMGs, but due to technical problems it is currently not possible.


    But as RMST1 stated correctly, this is about the changes to RayGun, not how we do updates. Let's get back to the topic now.
     
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  2. RMST1

    RMST1 Ex-Mod I WarZ Noob

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    I do agree with your point. It depends on the player that tells the rule breaker to stop. Many people on War know who I am, and when I accost them, they listen to me most of the times.

    Not having OP commands isn't always a problem, as there is a way to shush people when I am with friends. I also will tell them that I will do /report, or report them with screenshots / video proof at report.mcbrawl.com. If more people would do this, less rule breaking would happen on Brawl.
     
  3. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    I would like if it got it's original RoF back but the explosion would only activate if you hit a player. That way, it would still be powerful and quick, but it wouldn't be as absurdly point-and-click as it currently is. Maybe it wouldn't ruin infect this way.
     
  4. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    I think you should add a poll to this thread so the community can provide feedback on if they like the Nerfed Gelding of a ray gun or if they want their Macho Man Ray Gun back.
     
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  5. Jaetpack1

    Jaetpack1 Why jetpack when you can Jaetpack? (RC1)

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    GREAT IDEA, thx

    edit: It won't let me :frowning:

    Go here to vote what you think.
     
  6. Vincz

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    I think it should get another nerf. At least make it so that iron armour in infected is no one-shot anymore, but it could even get nerfed further.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Usp45

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    I really feel bad for you guys if you think this "ruined" the demolisher.
    Sure, it's slower than before, but it really isn't that bad
     
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  8. Hypoiodite

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    I think the de-buff was worth it. It took a while to get used to the slower firerate, but it is much better for the infected.
     
  9. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Here's the other part.

    So I think the Ray should be left alone.

    Instead of messing with it, I also the think the time should be spent tinkering with the whole class of Submachine guns and I think they wasted their time working on the wrong thing, not working on what is truly messed up, and not prioritizing their work and maybe this is a larger issue worthy of conversation in and of itself.
     
  10. Copyright2017

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    IMHO Ray should be removed.... I own it.... All it is is just a damn easy way for people to be nooby. And in turn ruining the game for every zombie out there... Just remove it and force people to use real guns...
     
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  11. Jaetpack1

    Jaetpack1 Why jetpack when you can Jaetpack? (RC1)

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    What about people's money?
     
  12. Vincz

    Vincz Brawl Player

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    See it as a donation to the server. Don't think about money so much.
     
  13. Copyright2017

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    Easy, give them credit on something else!
     
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