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Making the new Call of Duty server and Wild West not Pay2win.

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by SoMuchWinning, Nov 23, 2015.

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Should the upcoming Brawl servers (Wild West & War 2.0) be pay 2 win or have paywalls?

  1. Yes

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    20.0%
  2. No

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    80.0%
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  1. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    It's as simple as that. We were promised have Wildwest before the end of the summer, and War 2.0 in mid-2013.

    I think pulling some corporate profit crap will basically take the fun out of Brawl. Our current servers literally require you to pay if you want to have fun (I'm looking at you, WarZ), and I feel as if with the new servers we should be less forced to pay. I'll try to give you my suggestions on how to solve these problems as well as what not to do.

    WILD WEST:
    If you want to make an unfun WarZ clone, go ahead. No one asked for it anyway. However, Brawl, I know higher-ups will read this thread or know of it's existence to say the least. Listen to me, please: do not make the same mistake as you did with WarZ. Yes, I think donator ranks are fine, but for Christ's sake, do not add in teleporting. This is the thing that can save the entire server. Along with that, don't make donators get sheriff with a discount - that is borderline unfair, and avoid charging money for stupid things.
    HOW TO MAKE MONEY:
    1. Make VIP and MVP have small-scale kits with nice starting items, discounts for starting gangs and a bit easier way of acquiring in-game currency.

    2. Charge money for stuff that doesn't kill the game, good examples of not harming the game would be cosmetic items, horse armor/decorations/horse stats and pets that you can level up (rpg much?) or enhance them to make them more trustworthy in combat. Maybe give us a bunch of farm animals to keep and give donators and ability to have their own bandit hideout or a ranch with a discount? The not-killing possibilities are great as long as they don't kill the game.




    WAR 2.0:
    You have been "developing" this for 2 years straight, and it's in development "now". Please, don't make the same mistakes you have had in past. People have been waiting for this server for quite a long time, and forcing you to pay right off the bat for a stupid perk kills not only immersion but fun as well. There are quite a few ways to get going. I know you, developers are working hard to make what we wanted, but honestly, I'm going to put it as neutral as possible, but - you should be thankful for us for not leaving the community despite no updates (or lack there of).

    WAT DO?!?
    Charge money for cosmetics, e.g. colored armor would be great as a part of character customization. Stuff such as Ghillie suits and good-looking cosmetic armor will be something people will want. Just make it look like something wannable. You should make the progression less grindy and more streamlined in places, but you can try to implement stuff such as:
    -Alpha/Beta access to the new maps and content for donators that can be played a month earlier.
    -Pro perks for donators (normal perks should be possible to unlock by prestiging)
    -Cosmetics in the lobby and the abilities for your clan - such as a colored tag and stat reset permission for self.

    2. Give us a playable beta for War 2.0, but make it exclusive to people who have donated to the current McWar over x amount of money (you will gain the hype you once had kappa) and which will boost some profits. I know enough people who'd do that. But make this beta 100% free of charge and last for only a few weeks.

    3. VIP/MVP ranks are fairly balanced, but DO NOT IMPLEMENT donator weapons. However, make weapons unlockable by BOTH in-game currency and real life money. Perhaps give donators and extra class or cosmetic stuff. Maybe a double vote for the next map or anything else, really.

    /rant

    TL;DR
    Let's not make the new servers Pay2win. I have given suggestions on how to avoid ruining fun for other people. So, please, listen. I have nothing against Brawl's business practices, but being so unwilling to remove outdated paywalls that make us look sorta not-so-great isn't the right thing to do.
     
    #1 SoMuchWinning, Nov 23, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2015
  2. Kelsang

    Kelsang Brawler

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    I agree it shouldn't be pay to win, but for the prices for MVP, Elite, and vip, the rewards should be higher.
     
  3. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Its impossible to make ranks like ELITE, at $240, not a complete waste of money and not pay to win.
     
  4. NathanDrake

    NathanDrake Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about this lately. The last thing I want to see is brawl release these servers and then they run out of funding. So I guess that they will have to be pay 2 win.
     
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  5. BuddyCroooock

    BuddyCroooock Well-Known Member

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    What big server aren't pay to win? Not sure if you're going to find much of those.
     
    #5 BuddyCroooock, Nov 24, 2015
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  6. Arpy

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    MinePlex isn't pay to play :I
     
  7. YeezyLaces

    YeezyLaces Well-Known Member

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    It obviously needs to be pay2win.
     
  8. soccerstars

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    Just an idea extending on #3 for War, "... make weapons unlock by BOTH in-game currency and real life money..." Looking at the donor guns in War right now, only way you can unlock is real life money, if you look at the recent thread on prestiging in the war section, we can make something like:

    LAW:

    Elite: Prestige 2
    MVP: Prestige 5
    VIP: Prestige 8
    Normal: Master Prestige.

    This would better work with an 11 prestige system like in black ops 2, but I'm sure you get the point.

    Anyways stuff like that would probably work, getting stuff earlier, but you still get it eventually.

    As well looking at the deal with BO3 and PS4, donators can try to get new guns like these X earlier (X depending on the rank).



    In the end, I love your ideas stated in the thread, and hope they follow them.
     
  9. BuddyCroooock

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    Had to edit my post a bit, since I was on the phone. But still all big servers have atleast one paytowin gamemode.
     
  10. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure you can tell a friend or two about this thread or share it. Support would be much appreciated.
     
  11. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Hate to break it to you but the economics of running a server are inclined to push for pay to win.

    Unless, you would rather the server/game just went out of business.
     
  12. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    I'm fully aware of that, no need to think that I didn't do any research before I made this thread. Considering Brawl's expenses, I am safe to say they make a load of money off of WarZ and various other donations, so it's about time they made something free to play. I also stated that I'm not against a full removal of donations, instead I believe Brawl can survive using cosmetics that don't ruin anyone's experience. Tell me that WarZ is fun without donating (or having to pay for that matter)!

    I would go further but I fear that I can not openly speak my mind here.
     
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  13. Jaetpack1

    Jaetpack1 Why jetpack when you can Jaetpack? (RC1)

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    Uh, Liffy, your poll needs a little work.
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    "Should the upcoming Brawl server be pay2win or have paywalls?
    Yes or no."

    That doesn't make sense


    Edit: I'm just an idiot and thought it said to have pay2win or paywalls
     
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