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Idea Salvaging

Discussion in 'Raid' started by lncome, Jan 10, 2016.

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Do you think salvaging is a good idea and should be added?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Yes, but after the reset (1..9)

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  1. lncome

    lncome Active Member

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    So, I've played on Brawl, McPvP GG and McTeams lately where I found MCTeams and McPvP more favorable on many points. One of the things that made me really like the other two, were that they had the salvaging plug-in; which basically can make tools/armor back to ores. That way there's a better reason travelling in nether castles, and looking for dungeons. How you do it is basically putting either gold/diamond/iron block next to a furnace, and right click the block which the armor/tool is made of, and depending on durability you will get a certain amount of ores. That way you can also get more out of raids, if you for example get a ton of bad enchants like projectile protection etc. Then you can make it to ores and remake, and re enchant without having to waste ores, or maybe use it to sell, or something else.
    I think it makes everything to be useful, for example; I have found over 50 diamond/gold/iron horse armor, which I couldn't use for anything, same goes for gold tools and armor. This way you can use many more things, and if you're good at PvP and hate mining, but you want to make an iron tracker, you can fight your way to iron instead of having to mine/vote.
     
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  2. RockTomb

    RockTomb Ex Legacy Manager + SMOD

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    I like this idea. This would help a lot of players if they made the wrong item by mistake, especially when every material counts.
     
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  3. DaddyDonaldTrump

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    Again, this would make SPvP not vanilla anymore. This is something again made for a factions server. If you have a bad enchant your stuck with it and that's it. If you made the wrong thing by accident then you should've paid more attention. If this would get inplomented then you could inploment the whole spawner thing aswell and just make it a faction server or whatever. It's just ruining the vanilla aspect.
     
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  4. lncome

    lncome Active Member

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    If we'd more want vanilla aspect we should start off removing vote rewards for survival. And I think this rewards players that has practiced a lot on getting good at pvp, and they'll be rewarded by getting materials; practicing and doing what they like. You can explore caves, mineshafts and nether castles with a good reason; getting (horse)armor / tools and being able to salvage. There will always be bad enchant armor, which I see no point in, people only fight in bad armor because they want to get rid of it, and therefore don't see any need to keep it. So I see no point in having a lot of trash armor, when you can have less armor, but good armor you can actually use.

    Also, I really do not see any point in having horse& gold armor/tools without salvaging. Gold armor is pretty much useless since it gives bad protection, and has really low durability. And horse armor is pretty useless too, since you can't warp on a horse, and I don't know a lot of people who'd bring horse armor, run 500 blocks at least away from spawn, get a horse, tame it and give it armor, run back to spawn and pvp with the horse armor.
     
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  5. DaddyDonaldTrump

    DaddyDonaldTrump Well-Known Member

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    I guess you kind of make a good point right here but still you know...
    I just don't like it to be fair, I know it would help me aswell but yeah. I don't really have anything to say about that.
    Also, don't you dare talk trash about gold armor!
     
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    Paging @WhiskeyNeat
     
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  7. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    I agree. This would make the server non-vanilla, and I think we should just remove the voting rewards thing and have the crate system we discussed in a previous thread where every 400 Votes (or whatever value suits), whatever brawl server your on, you get a crate which when opened has random items in it. This is Survival PvP - Not factions! (they are meant to be adding factions which they announced like a year ago, but to be honest, the only change so far is Skywars added. Give it a few more years...)
     
  8. lncome

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    IMO salvaging is closer to vanilla than crates.
     
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  9. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    No offence, but wrong. Crates give vanilla items, MCMMOs are just completely un-vanillia.
     
  10. lncome

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    I don't see the big difference, salvaging also only gives vanilla items, which is the ores it's made of?
     
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  11. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    But if you had a decent mob farm, and used the armour they dropped to convert into ores, you might as well turn changing spawners back on. Same with normal armour. I have loads of dubs full of iron armour. That would be way to OP to convert it all back into ores.
     
  12. lncome

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    I really think you're overrating how much it is. (4+5+7+8)/4 = 54*65% (65% is probaly avarage dura on different armor) That's around 210 iron per dub, which I don't seem to find that much, if I took me 2 min to vote I'd get 320 iron. And the point is to make loot from pvp / raids more attractive. For example if you find a base with 10 dubs iron armor, u can't really use that for much unless you could salvage it, and then it wouldn't even be OP but just decent 210*10 2100 iron. Pretty good loot. I think salvaging would make PvP and tracking/raiding much more attractive, probaly get more people on the server, and get more of the people on the server to start pvp'ing and track/raiding. That's just my POV.
     
  13. Eil

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    I'll put this another way. I have over 100 double chests of just iron armour, all from killing people at spawn. All with high dura. I'd be into the thousands of iron blocks if I salvaged it all. Changing spawners is more vanilla than salvaging. In vanilla MC you can click a spawner with a spawn egg to change it. Spawn eggs are available in Vanilla (I know in creative!). What you can't do is convert armour into items.

    Another thing I should add referring to your first post. You say McPvP was favourable... why did Brawl buy McPvP? It wanted the code for Build and CTF, and it also wasn't doing to well. Maybe the reason it wasn't doing too well was because it wasn't vanilla enough? This is Brawl, NOT McPvP. I've been playing Survival PvP for 2 years. salvaging is not the way to go, its too like factions.
     
  14. lncome

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    I don't think anyone but you have 100 dubs of iron armor, and that is also due to the extremely long time between resets (over a year). And if you see on the servers with salvaging, they're getting way more popular than brawl, I think this is a good idea for the players, and the server. And I'll say it again, if they'd really want vanilla aspect, remove voting.
     
  15. Eil

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    Voting increases the rank of the server on server lists and means more people see it - increasing the popularity of the server. Voting rewards make voting an incentive for people to vote. While I do not think the voting system is quite perfect, it is a necessity, and only vanilla items can be obtained from it. While salvaging is just plainly, not vanilla.
     
  16. lncome

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    I don't think rewards for survival pvp should be achieveable with vote tokens then, instead they should make it so that you could buy tempoary ranks for it instead. Like 2500 vote tokens for 1 month vip 5000 for 1 month MVP etc.

    And I really doubt that if they removed voting rewards for just survival pvp they would get off the server list. And if they didn't want to lose the survival voters, they should add the ranking system I posted above.
     
  17. Eil

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    Then why don't you make a thread about voting instead of trying to add mcmmos which is no offence, a stupid idea.
     
  18. lncome

    lncome Active Member

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    Because I like the idea of MCMMO salvaging, I haven't said anything about adding the whole MCMMO, just a small plug-in (salvaging)? I'm looking at facts, and at what would benefit players and server the most. And if you look at the poll (I know it's a very small amount of people who has voted) but that is still in favor of salvaging. While (no offense) your is just ur personal opinion and has nothing to do with with the facts about what is most popular, and attractive on servers.
     
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  19. Ryanairr

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    Good input from everyone. Just no point in discussing, since as I see no one works on Survival PVP anymore. (Broken sponges, lagspikes, lack of staff)
     
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