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When Brawl appoints new staff members

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  1. ObamaTheReptile

    ObamaTheReptile Well-Known Member

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  2. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I don't get it... lol! what was this post? xD
     
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    ObamaTheReptile Well-Known Member

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    It's saying that a frighteningly large number of Brawl's staff appointments are all but ready for the position.
     
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    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    You don't think someone of the staff members should be staff members? that's a little upsetting to hear. Did you wanna talk with canoodle about it?
     
  5. ObamaTheReptile

    ObamaTheReptile Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to, believe me. I've got lots and lots of suggestions. Most of them I expressed here, on a thread that received vibrant positivity. No admins responded, although it's hard to believe that none saw them, as mods (at lest from my day) are expected to give feedback on suggestions that would help to clarify any issues.
    PMing an admin would help streamline the process, but it wouldn't encourage others to challenge the systems currently in place. Plus, in one-on-one situations, mods or admins have the distinct upper hand simply because of their power. It's hard to speak your mind fully to someone in a clear position of superiority, which means that I sort of have to respond with "yeah, that makes sense" to whatever the response is, regardless of how much sense it actually makes.
     
  6. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I understand how that is. I did the same thing for quite a long time. Especially when I was a trial jmod. I couldn't imagine trying to get stuff done when you're not staff, however I believe that we are listening to the community a lot more than we originally have. I'll reread over your thread and give feedback if you'd like. I went afk from the forums for a little while while I got settled into school, but I'm back now.
     
  7. ObamaTheReptile

    ObamaTheReptile Well-Known Member

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    It's not you that I've got problems with (although no mod is perfect, but that's to be expected. Perfect mods don't exist), to clarify. Nothing I'm saying is intended to be personal.
     
  8. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Oh no. I understand that. However, there are a lot of staff that are doing their utmost best and I think we as a server are making a lot of progress towards a more community based server. That's really all I wanted to do for Brawl because I love it so much. I believe you do to, but I don't see what you could find wrong with the newer staff members. They're trying their hardest and are expected to make a couple mistakes (I know I did. xD).
     
  9. ObamaTheReptile

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    Brawl's gotten better, sure, but they've sort of overcompensated. Now I've noticed a trend of, instead of mods who are actually just bad at their job, mods who pander to higher staff to be promoted. I can point to tons of examples by just linking to most recent mod applications (accepted or denied, from any member who posted a serious and thought-out application).
     
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    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I don't believe I've ever gotten the impression that staff members pandered to be promoted, but I suppose I'm not very observant when it comes to staff member drama. I'm just here to do my job and I like to believe that what everyone else tries to do as well. I don't know though. I'm an optimist I suppose. :smile:
     
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    All you have to do to see this is look at the poll results on mod application threads versus the responses. The only negative response I saw looking through accepted mod applications was on Wario's application. Basically, it called him out for "spamming" (in a manner of speaking, as far as mod applications go) mod applications. That was it, though. His poll wasn't even a 2:1 ratio of +1 to -1, meaning the community would very strongly dislike him as a mod. And, after all, it's the community that'll be kept in check by the mods. I can say from absolute experience that if a mod isn't respected they're ignored. Many mod applications had fine responses from community, but many went somewhere around the 2:1 mark, or just above. In my opinion, this really isn't a strong enough community response to warrant mod position.
     
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    I see where you're coming from, but keep in mind that there aren't very many players that apply that people are on the fence about. They either strongly like or dislike most, but I've found that a lot of applicants, excluding a few, are too closely connected to the community. Normally this isn't an issue, but with a server like warz or kitpvp, it's important for the staff members to have an air of authority and not be afraid to ban hackers, even if you're good friends with them. I feel like a lot of applicants wouldn't do that.
     
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    You PMed me with a -1, which I still respect even to this day, but I still made it. I'm still going to try to do my best, and if my best isnt good enough for Cuddled, or Roke, or Putty, or whoever, then I accept that. I also accept that I may log on to Brawl one day thinking, "Wonderful, another day of dealing with salty rule breakers." and then speedily resign. But that day isnt today.
     
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    respect.
     
  15. ObamaTheReptile

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    This sort of confuses me. This sentence literally summarizes the entire job of a mod on Brawl. In my entirely honest opinion, if this is the reason you would resign, you shouldn't be a mod in the first place. I was demoted from mod for saying publicly that I was thinking about resigning (which, to be honest, isn't very different from when putty said the same thing but whatever, right? I got what I wanted, one way or another), but the reason I was going to resign was because the mod team wasn't making my job any easier. At the time, I was the only WarZ mod who would actively look for servers with no mods on them, rather than looking for my friends to play with. I was also one of only 2/8 mods who wasn't on team Holy, and the other mod was teamed with most of them anyway.
    My point is that if doing your job isn't rewarding, you're not going to put in your full effort. If your reason for resignation would be that you'd have to punish people, that doesn't say a lot of good about how you were as a mod.
     
  16. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

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    I think the application decision making process for mods has sped up. Nice work @Canoodle

    There is an opportunity to develop them so they are ready.

    The only vote that should matter for Mods is mine. Lol!

    Mods turnover all the time and some are great but some just aren't ready. That's life though.

    I would develop a scorecard of aspects of very successful mods and focus on recruiting people who fit that profile.

    This would allow me more contact with superstars and less contact with people who aren't ready.
     
  17. ObamaTheReptile

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    Sort of what I feel like is that Brawl doesn't get the difference between immaturity and being a sore loser. To me, at least, maturity is more of a question than "do you scream at people like a 6-year-old in chat." How you interact with others, how others view you as a person, and how old you act are all factors that are just as important. Mxj, for example, is 13 or 14 but acts easily 16-17. He's calm, collected, and doesn't act childish to seem more mature than he may really be. Before I heard mxj and before I knew how old he was, I would have assumed him to be over 16, at least, but at the time he was 12.
    There's a large difference between maturity and how Brawl determines maturity, and that's really my main point here.
     
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    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Agree. Nicely stated.
     
  19. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    Such an old meme tho. XD
     
  20. ObamaTheReptile

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    But it's still a primo memeo
     
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