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  1. BAWSS5

    BAWSS5 Well-Known Member

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    Produce those numbers.

    Prove that companies are actively discriminating against women. Considering that's illegal and has been for years.
     
  2. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Here's your research, from a global perspective and from this year: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/pf/women-corporate-leadership/

    I'll cut you some slack since you've probably never had a real job in the corporate world.

    Most Managers, Directors, and especially CEO's are men.

    Go look up bureau of labor statistics. This is common knowledge and has been so for the last 100 years.

    Men outnumber women in management positions and they also make more than women. On average, women make .75 to 85 per dollar a man makes doing the same job, at the same company, and with the same level of experience.
     
  3. AriesRam10

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    No I dident miss that, I dont mind. Im not a sensitive ***** :smile:
     
  4. PorkChops30

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    Im not gonna go research and find statistics to prove something that should be already common knowledge and agreed on. The fact that you think women have equal opportunity in the corporate world speaks a lot. Even the 2016 election is a example of this. A well-qualified women who spent 30 years in public service got passed over for a misogynist who had this in his opening campaign speech:

    "When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re not sending us the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast


    What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc. This was evident just this week when, as an example, a young woman in San Francisco was viciously killed by a 5 time deported Mexican with a long criminal record, who was forced back into the United States because they didn’t want him in Mexico. This is merely one of thousands of similar incidents throughout the United States. In other words, the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government.


    The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.


    On the other hand, many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally. I am proud to say that I know many hardworking Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it."

    Please read this collection of words that form a incoherent, racist ugly rant that sounds like it came from a racist drunk guy rather than the POTUS and then try to justify him being the face of the most powerful country in the world.
     
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  5. Exotic_Bread

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    I've heard that Syria is accepting American refugees.
     
  6. BAWSS5

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    No, these are numbers that show it isn't 50% percent equal, which is fine since, again, meritocracy.
    91% of nurses are women (http://minoritynurse.com/nursing-statistics)


    Please show how these companies are discriminating against women because they're women, and not because maybe, you know, women have autonomy to do whatever they want and choose not to go into C.E.O positions?

    Honestly, when you say things like 'women are oppressed because more men are in position x' it sounds to me like you somehow think women are inherently inferior to men because more men are C.E.O's while entirely overlooking that more women are teachers and nurses?

    Oh. And for the record, I work in a Tim Hortons. 90% of my co-workers are women. My managers are Women, all of them. The owner of the stores across the street? Women. The head of Business at my University are women. My province is governed by a Woman. ****, my Dad's ex goes to University's, has 5 degrees, and owns a successful business.

    Women outnumber men in Universities by a landslide and have for years
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.the...dmissions-record?client=ms-android-blackberry
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.was...96e988-b4e6-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html

    Maybe, however, they should choose stop taking useless gender studies degrees.

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    Oh, and the wage gap is actually an earnings gap, also explained perfectly by the different choices men and women make.
    Women are not paid 75 cents on every dollar. Are you mad? It's straight up illegal to do so, and any women who are actually getting PAID only 75 cents could sue and WJN.

    Not to mention that in today's day and age. If women could actually get paid only 75 cents per dollar, what firm in their right mind would ever hire men? You get this issue where either the wage gap is a stupid myth perpetuated by a movement that exists only to whine... OR, men really are superior to women to the point where businesses are willing to shill out extra money and incur more costs to get men because men are actually superior.

    No economist takes this crap seriously.

    So.... I ask again: numbers, please, that actually show discrimination.
    I await them.

    So... no proof, just anecdotes and talking points?
    Got it.
     
  7. PorkChops30

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    So u ignore the numbers mrevil gives and asks for other numbers because they dont match your personal experience. At this point I could probably give u a link to a whole ****ing documentary explaining that women do not get paid equally as men and you would still say it's wrong. I think you are a example of how trump supporters ignore facts and spew bull**** that doesn't make sense.
     
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  8. BAWSS5

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    No. I ignore the numbers because they show the current balance of men vs women in the workplace but don't prove discrimination any more than 91% of nurses being women's proves discrimination against men.

    And for the last time, if you're going to continue to call me a Trump supporter I will just assume you can't read.
     
  9. PorkChops30

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    U said u would have trump over Clinton.

    And obviously i just read that
     
  10. BAWSS5

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    Ffs

    OK, I support Trump over Clinton, but I am not a supporter of Trump over literally any other Republican, Democrat, or third party Candidate. I hate the guy, I just hate Hillary more.
    Third time I have said this now. Can we get back to facts and not ad-homs? Specifically, I am pointing out how you have none.

    Oh, and @_featherpaw_
    If anyone tells you that you're not going to do well in the tech sector because it's a man's world and women are oppressed, feel free to ignore them when you're a C.E.O. (if you want to be one of course :smile: )
     
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  11. PorkChops30

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    Tech is prob the most gender-friendly environment. And yea, I'm done arguing with you as you don't even believe gender-inequality is real. Having a debate with someone like you is pointless.
     
  12. BAWSS5

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    I'll believe it once it's proven true.

    Until then I'll sit and wait, considering that the wage gap is the single most destroyed bs 'fact' in a long time, yet it's just about the only thing people can pump out to argue it exists.

    Also, since you still haven't posted a single fact and have resorted to nothing but ad-homs and fear mongering, I'm pretty sure I win.
     
  13. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

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    Thanks for enlightening us with all your corporate experience working at Tim Hortons.

    You have 0% in the corporate world but that's ok, I was there once too. Hate to break it to you but you have an entry level job "McJob" and that doesn't qualify you as an authority on this subject.

    The "Glassceiling" is real. Women are held back from achieving manager levels or above and have been ever since they started 1) Documenting and 2) check out the bureau of labor statistics. As such, they commonly reach a point where they can no longer advance up the career track no matter how hard they try.

    This style of corporate subterfuge oppresses women and their earings as well as career advancement for their entire working career.

    I would recommend you read up on:
    1) The Glass Ceiling and women
    2) Wage growth and earnings with women.
    3) Diversity of women in corporate leadership positions.
    4) Changing population demographics.
    5) Diversity in the workplace.

    Then, and only after you have invested time learning about the topic will you have a better understanding of the challenges women face in the corporate world.

    Look, I've been to college and I have a Masters Degree as well as a laundry list of certifications. Women are represented in about 50% in the classroom at most colleges.
    - Women are also prevalent in entery level manager roles like the company you work for. You work in a low margin high sales volume organization so pay is typically lower.

    Where women are not equally represented is in corporate America leadership roles such as managers, directors, and C-Suite (executive roles)......despite making up 50% of college educated women. These leadership level roles typically can make $60,000 -$150,00 (plus bonuses) and at the highest levels women are not represented because they have reached the "Glass Ceiling". (Do your own research and look it up).

    Your experience working at a bagel shop would be similar to someone working selling clothes. There would be large numbers of women in those entry level manager roles

    Those same women would have a difficult job getting corporate roles even though they could have the same experience, education, and tenure at a company and they would work very hard but not be compensated as well as someone working for an accounting, engineering, or technology driven company.

    In large companies, there exists a gender gap and the president elect has often made disperenging remarks about women, minorities, people with disabilities, and the only people he has not ridiculed is the white male who benefit from the current corporate American culture.

    We are looking out for your best interests.....

    Before you reply, do some research, and discover for yourself what I already know because I actually work in corporate America and yeah I am in a leadership role where I hire and fire people. I'm like 15-20 years younger than the people that work for me and I have a team of people all across the country.

    Post your own "facts" from research. What you find will surprise you.

    I speak from experience bro.





    You clearly didn't watch the debates, listen to his hateful stump speeches, or watch the protests occurring across the US right now.

    Do your own research and look up Trump comments. You will find a laundry list of things he has said against women, minorities, people with disabilities, and others. Check out his youtube videos where he says he grabs women by their ***** because he can.

    We can debate his success as a businessman: He inherited a fortune from his dad, who also bailed him out when he went bankrupt. He's gone bankrupt so many times (look it up) that it is difficult to take him seriously. Financial analysts have studied that if he invested the money his dad gave him he would actually be more wealthy....the conclusion is that he's gone bankrupt so many times that he is actually a poor businessman and not a billionaire.

    People find his behavior unacceptable for a POTUS role.

    His rhetoric divides the country and he is seen as unfit for office.
     
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  14. thesquook

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    i think he has a nice haircut and thats why i voted for him
     
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    It is how it is, no need to complain about it
     
  16. chikenanater011

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    It's ok, Hillary is a ****ter.
    I'm ready for the 4 years of memes and the massive piles of salt coming from the majority of people who supported Hillary.
     
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    I'm just happy I don't live in America c:
     
  18. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

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    Hillary won the popular vote.

    The lost story is the Civil Rights act, voter suppression in the south, and the racist rhetoric from Trump.

    Reports are indicating that Hate Crimes are up significantly. The people perpuaring these crimes are attributating it to Trump.
     
  19. PorkChops30

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    *sigh* chances are you are a white male. Please imagine your life if you were a Mexican or Muslim. Your newly elected president hates people like you. He wants people like you out of the country."Illegal" would be your new nickname and your life would generally suck. Same if you were Muslim. You would be called "terrorist" everyday and your life would also be hell. My "fear-mongering" is nothing compared to the fear mongering trump has raised towards Mexicans and muslims.
     
  20. AriesRam10

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    You my friend are funny. You clearly dident read my las post. Which if I rember correctly was in responce too you.

    None the less, I did watch all the debates. I hear his "hateful stump speeches" and i am seeing the protest. Im not going to comment on the part about the women. But I'll respond here.

    I've seen Trumps comments. And im not disturbed at all. I dont mind the vaulger things he says at all. Again, you must not have seen my comment before. The president is supposed to represent the people right? Have you ever been to a high school or even a collage? People talk like that, thats how it is. Get over it, deal with it. Or change it and stop complaining on a MC server fourms.

    You say people find his behavior unacceptable, yet hes still the one who got voted? So clearly the magority dosent. Now your talking about him deviding the country. Well, no. The country was devided before, if Hilary would have won the country would still have been devided. Whether or not there would have been riots maybe not. But thats not the point, dont blame a very long standing problem on Trump because he happened to win.

    I just want to touch on that subject of him being a bad business man. And honestly, sorry for saying this not trying to fight. But are you stupid? You just called him a bad buisness man. But chances are, he has more money then you and your next 5 generations will ever have. Dosent add up quite right. Now youll say his dad gave him the money. yes, thats true, but he still made more money out of it right? Again, more money then you'll probably have. You say hes gone bankrupt a few times. That may be true, but hes still got more money then you. So..... Still doing somthing right. Now, he maybe could have had more money like you've said. I havent looked into that. But the end fact is, he has alot of money, he has a sucsessful buisness, and hes now the president elect. So dont tell me hes doing it wrong or bad at it.


    So im just going to sumerize this. You say people dont like him, but I would just like to point out that he is now president elect. Thats how it happened, whether or not you like it its true. That is a fact that we can all see. If people dont like him. Okay thats fine, infact I think its good. But people are like him.
     
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