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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by SoMuchWinning, Mar 8, 2017.

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  1. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    It is the USA's Republican Party's replacement of Affordable Care Act.

    Some facts:
    -It is 66 pages long
    -It has 6 pages dedicated solely to how lottery winners shouldn't get healthcare
    -Includes tax cuts for the wealthy
    -Around 6-10 million people will lose their healthcare, according to some estimates
    -We have no bloody idea how much it will cost
    -They had 6+ years to create a replacement
    -No parts dedicated to immigrants or native Americans
    -It reinstates preexisting conditions and annual dollar limits
    -You can be charged more based on gender and past ilnesses
    -Less people can afford it
    -People under the age of 26 are covered
    -Tens of millions are left without affordable care. Instead of Medicaid being free, those who qualify under the new rules get a credit towards their care

    So, what are your thoughts on it?
    This hasn't been passed yet, but most likely will due to republican majority in congress. Many people seem to dislike it.
     
  2. kittenlovers

    kittenlovers Active Member

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    On the other hand, when people receive free health insurance, the quality of the health insurance begins to decrease. Some items become more expensive (for example glasses) and staff may be over extended.
     
  3. NathanDrake

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    It's amazing
     
  4. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    Mind elaborating?

    But if it weren't for the free healthcare, then a lot of lower class citizens would be in a bad situation or unable to receive any kind of healthcare since they couldn't afford it.
     
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    The money to provide free or reduced health care is also a big issue. That money has to come from somewhere, and most of that comes from the middle class. Although there are around 50 million people in poverty, there are also another 70 million people who aren't. Should those 70 million people be forced to pay for and more than the poor? America is a democracy, there's always going to be an imbalance in power or in this case money. Otherwise, we would be living in communism.
     
  6. Pat_The_Trick

    Pat_The_Trick Well-Known Member

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    Lol im glad im not american
     
  7. Hitchens

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    As I live in a country (finland) with a single payer health care system, I think what @kittenlovers has to say makes no sence. Its gobeltygut. Actually, we are much more of a democracy than the united states, since people participate more in elections and there have been demonstrations in which over 2% of the population have taken part in. That would equal nearly 10 million individuals in the us. This kind of a system where people not only have their say in elections, but also constantly demonstrate for their causes is what is real democracy.

    And for the record if the united states was a democracy, there would be some kind of a national health care system. There have been some polling done on this issue, and i can link some if you are interested.

    As a last note I would like to say we have some of the best health care in the world. Our system is not private, no, it is what you might call communism. Too bad it works pretty darn well.
     
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  8. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    1. That money could easily be acquired by reducing military spending and raising taxes of the wealthy people or big businesses. Republicare aims to cut taxes of the rich even further.

    2. Other Americans don't want to pay for a lot of things either, starting with Exxon subsidies, Trump's golfing trips, a giant wall, Bush's wars and the millions we paid to sociopaths to come up with torture techniques for the CIA. Where's the morality when it comes to spending public dollars?

    3. In other 1st world countries it is perfectly acceptable to pay for free healthcare. Why should USA be an exception?

    4. Without free healthcare, the country is losing 1 trillion dollars in the Republicare - this 1 trillion dollars could be spent on things such as education, go to pay raises, or to hire new employees or to make investments that would make more jobs.
     
  9. kittenlovers

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    Well, by that logic America isnt democracy. Neither is Finland. Both are mob rule.
     
  10. Doges

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    The plan is better in my opinion, but not perfect, however: The biggest issue in health care in my opinion is price gouging. I would like to see the drug prices and visits in general be drastically cut down through massive regulations on the industry.
     
  11. Hitchens

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    Actually im finland, the executed policy has always been somewhat close to public opinnion, but it is indeed true there is still problems. Public opinion can be controlled.

    On the other hand, what the united states does has little to do with what the public thinks. Another example is taxation. What you see on television is the question; "do you consider your taxes too high?". As you can probably guess the answer is usually es, with 57% to 37% in the latest gallup poll. 6% Voted on neither.

    The actually usefull stuff is never shown on television, so i can forgive you for not knowing this, but according to the same gallup poll 53% agree taxes are too high on the middle class, 39% think they are about right, and just 6% think they are too high. 2% have no opinion. On the other hand, between 60% and 70% agree taxes are too low on corporations and the upper class, while just a little over 10% think they are too high. Around the same amount thinks they are about right.

    I think my logic, namely looking at what the public thinks and what is done, is the way to go when wondering wether a country is democratic or not.

    Honestly, If you disagree, please explain your logic. I am interested.


    As could obamas nuclear weapons money have gone. Its the corporate party, peeps.

    The fact that most do something doesnt mean is good. The fact that tonnd of people eat **** food doesnt mean its good for you. This is just an invalid way of arguing.

    This is so true, at least if what you think that these dollars should be spent on education, health care etc.

    Excactly, and 65% agree with you completely. Now, just organize.
     
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  12. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    Where would the government get the money for reduced drug and visit prices?
    What would the lower class citizens have to do in order to get healthcare? Roughly 6-10 million people will lose their healthcare with Republicare.

    Give me U.S. citizenship and I'll vote for dems in midterms without a doubt.
     
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