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  1. 21kss

    21kss Active Member

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    I recently noticed that the staff apps are really accepted or denied based on popularity of the applicant. I have made 3 staff apps and all 3 were denied. All were pretty detailed and I put lots of effort in to them. However then I see staff apps that aren't very good yet get accepted very quickly because other mods know the applicant and like him/her. Not trying to bag on anyone in specific or brawl in general, but I think you guys should think about a way to make the apps a little more fair.

    Intersted to see if this gets shot down or actually thought about...
     
  2. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Which apps are you thinking of?
    And remember, apps are not the only thing that counts - maturity and behaviour as well.
     
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  3. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    They look at the poll results. So If a player is not popular, (s)he wont probably be accepted. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Also, your applications got denied because you recently joined the forums, and you are not really active here either.
     
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  4. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, being well known in the community does help in getting accepted. On your part, however, your activity here on the forums leaves much to be desired.
     
  5. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    First of all: Staff applications aren't based on popularity. It plays a role, I cannot deny that, but it isn't the main part.

    If you compare the text ammount you have written on your staff application with apps, which has been accepted, you'll see that there is much more you could write. Moreover you were told what to improve. Noone, who has e.g. as less forum experience (27 messages) as you have, has ever been accepted, it has nothing to do with popularity.
    You're wrong. There were a lot of people who didn't get a good poll, look for example at Overkill's , Nate's, Wario's or Eil's application. They didn't get "the best" poll, but were accepted because of their high potential.

    Staff applications aren't a popularity contest. Of course the poll and the community's opinion play a role, but there are many different aspects which are important as well.
     
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  6. 21kss

    21kss Active Member

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    yea figured this would get shot down
     
  7. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    I have absolutely no will to "shoot something down". I think good criticism and a constructive discussion is always helpful. Please present some of your arguments and do also react on my argumentation. :/
     
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  8. 21kss

    21kss Active Member

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    I realized that they are not souposed to be but they are
    Colonel_Graff's
    app for example does not have much detail yet just because the see his name +1 +1 +1 also I was defiantly NOT looking for reasons that my app got denied. This has nothing to do with me, all I'm saying is that popular player get accepted way more often than less know people.

    again not looking
    for why mine got denied
     
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  9. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    OK, who had a good app but was not very popular that got denied?
     
  10. 21kss

    21kss Active Member

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    honestly can't say because i can't see the denied folder in the forums.
     
  11. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    You're the one, who compares other applications to your's :/
    Anyway I also dislike the length of Graff's mod app. But as stated above there are many different aspects, not only one, which count. Moreover Graff has 800+ messages and has proofed himself in his job as a Wiki team member.
     
  12. 21kss

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    For example
    sjuka_legogubbar
    SkullcrusherLD
    Algelier
    DeCasperr

    Overkill_
    all these people are pretty widely know and are accepted also wish I could get wiki team like graff and proof my self in that, however that didn't work for me again only popular players are going to get any sort of staff.
     
  13. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure forums activity counts to that as well.
     
  14. 21kss

    21kss Active Member

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    Graff's app has gotten 1,492 views, that is over ten times the views that i got, why because he is popular and more people are interested in him rather than someone like me. I got 5 replies he got 35 see where I'm going with this?
     
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  15. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you can get a staff position someday, but right now, 30 something messages and 19 trophy points isn't going to get you anywhere.
     
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  16. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Popularity isn't what gets someone accepted. My app had more -1 then it did +1. Only players from war knew me but I still got accepted. Sure popularity helps. That just means you are active in the community and people respect you. There is also forums activity (as stated), maturity, and other areas that are also looked at.
    Views and comments don't mean anything. Just says that more people have something to say about him.
     
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  17. 21kss

    21kss Active Member

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    Ok im not gonna pointlessly argue with you guys, any way glad to see what y'all think about this.
     
  18. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    I understand what you're saying, as I know of a few mods that became mod based on staff team bias, but for the most part, you need to be ready to be accepted. For example, before Wario got accepted, Canoodle said she wanted to accept him because he was her friend, but she denied him because he wasn't ready. He reapplied when he was ready, and got promoted. Same thing when I applied, I applied and got denied until I was ready to be promoted.

    That's just how things work here.

    Also, out of all the things you're working on, your Application should be in the middle, with maturity and helpfulness being on the top and activity being toward the middle/bottom.

    Not sure if it's like this anymore, but applications used to be the main thing the staff team looked for. It's something I really looked for too. If the person were really serious about getting staff, they'd make an amazing application. It showed to me that this person was ready and wanted to be staff. I didn't really care about activity per say, but it definitely helps.

    Hopefully this summed it all up.
     
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  19. FearTheDoggos

    FearTheDoggos Ex- WildWest/WarZ MOD

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    You have 33 forums posts. What more reason do you need to be denied... You are required to have 100...

    the difference between you and Colonel_Graff, is that he has 800+ posts on the forums, yes a side affect of this may be that he is more popular, but the real reason that there are more comments on his application is because more people know he exists. How are we supposed to know how you act if you have only demonstrated how you act with 30 posts that could easily go unnoticed?
     
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  20. NickManEA

    NickManEA Build JMOD

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    I have read a few comments but haven't put a lot of effort into reading the whole thing so I will post a new comment soon. Till then I can say that I compare myself to that.

    I am constantly ignored; most of my threads are ignored; for example my recent three AMAs were ignored by most. AMAs of popular people or staff members get replied on by pretty much everyone.

    I don't really want to offend anyone for being popular, of course. I just found it annoying to be ignored. But I soon realised that popularity increases based on the effort you, yourself, put into making yourself known.
     
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