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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    So a while back there was a thread on the Hypixel forums that pointed out something about LabyMod:
    https://hypixel.net/threads/labys-mod-is-now-a-blacklisted-mod-security-advisory.515247/
    (not advertising pls no ban)
    and I did a bit of research on minekits and on a private testing server where I test skid clients and the like...
    and I've come up with some pretty creepy stuff.
    I've been able to confirm that the LabyMod hitting animation actually has massive effects - PvP techniques like the "wallbang" (tapping w-a-s-d-a-d-s-w-w and hitting someone who is in a corner) have HUGE boosts in range. Now, this is not only a client-side thing. On SOME servers (including my testing server), it adds up to 0.3-0-4 blocks of reach OCCASIONALLY when using range-increasing techniques like any 8-block technique (basically resetting your sprint every time you get a hit).
    I've also figured out that certain file types can indeed be transferred - these tend to be .bat files, unfortunately I've not really been able to find out if anti-virus software reacts to a file transfer within an application.
    Due to these findings I'd like to appeal that Brawl codes a checksum analyzer - this analyzes a player's client's checksum and attempts to match it to an allowed/blacklisted checksum, and adds the LabyMod to this (this would also crack down on ghostclients, so I see no reason not to add this).
    NOTE: I know people like this mod, but I agree with the Hypixel staff in their view that it's pretty close to a hack client.
     
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  2. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    The only people I know that actively use it are mainly WarZ players...haven't seen many people use it for actual PVP.

    Also, Hypixel developers are god awful when it comes to making an anticheat that can detect hacks and actually ban. It makes be think that the thing he said about that MVP+ could very much be false flags. I couldn't tell you how many people I know that have recorded themselves hacking/blatantly hacked on there and rarely ever get banned by either the anticheat or a staff member. In my honest opinion, they overreact at things and are not people that should be trusted when it comes down to cheating.

    I also had the idea of a "checksum analyzer" back in the day; however I believe someone told me that it would practically be impossible to check people for it server-sided. (Basically saying you'd have to make a file for people to download to scan them for blocked hacks.) **Which people wouldn't do, obviously.

    I'm not for banning it only because I've rarely seen people use it for actual PVP.
     
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    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    I cannot survive without it...
    Antivirus should react to file transfers in applications. Also we could contact LabyStudio and tell him to disable some of the features LabyMod gives on brawl.
    I do not think that it should be banned.
     
  4. Magnificent

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    Right yeah let's ban half the playerbase.
     
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  5. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    The thing is, there are a few servers that basically check if your Minecraft ID is modded or not, and then check that ID against a list of pre-checked versions. So if I were to use a LabyMos client which had an ID of 12345, the checksum analyzer would match that up and ban me.
    @Ekali I think it would be fine - Hypixels anticheat is certainly better than Badlion's.
     
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    wat

    There is no way this is possible. We have no access to client information unless we personally start infecting people.
     
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  7. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    I believe that GCheat is one of the best anticheats. WatchDog is a joke to the hacker community, when I hacked with friends/client developers it banned us maybe 30 times (all of our bans combined) over a course of months.

    Just like I said; it'd be impossible without making a file and nobody would ever download it.
     
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    I can't speak about the comments about how/if the mod modifies normal vanilla PvP, but we have been making an effort to make LabyMod more applicable to our rules even.

     
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  9. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I'm reasonably sure this can be done.
    If you've ever used say a Forge version of Minecraft, if it crashes, you get a notification from the launcher: "It looks like your game is modified" or something like that. This means there must be a version ID check somewhere - I believe it's in the Java code somewhere, I might be wrong.
     
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  10. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    That usually happens because it thinks the reason it crashed is because of the modded version. Which isn't always right.
    And Brawl can't do this, because the checking is in Minecraft itself.
     
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  11. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    My forums are wayyy to laggy and slow right now to be able to answer this properly, I'll answer when I've got this back on track
     
  12. chickenputty

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    Yeah, but we don't run a Forge server, so we don't receive that information from the Forge-only clients. Us running Forge would require everyone have it to make the check possible.

    (Forge sends the server what mods the client has)

    Anyways, back to the topic: We haven't seen LabyMod provide an advantage. Until then, its allowed. Perhaps show your evidence.
     
  13. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    My main point, that it provides reach/an advantage of sorts, only appears occasionally. I think I have a decent clip of it somewhere,unfortunately my internet connection has decided to start a fight this afternoon, so I'll have to upload it at a later date. However, I'm honestly more concerned by the file transfer thing, which is why I've already stopped using it.
     
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    The file transfer thing is something every player should individually be thinking about. Its up to them whether or not to trust the mod.
     
  15. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Is there not a way to stop people from illicitly transferring files to another player?

    Hang on a moment. If I were to crash with any version, my launcher will tell me if I can send in a bug report or not. So why would this be the case? Is it really Forge that sends this info?
     
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    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    Maybe because you only play warz?

    No, it doesn't need to be banned. I use it and it hardly gives me an advantage except it tells me my armour Dura, potions and a few other things.
     
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  17. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    You probably don't notice the difference in a server.
     
  18. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    I play War and WarZ lol
     
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    None of the info is sent to us. That's all client side.

    Forge only sends a mod list on login for Forge servers.
     
  20. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    The majority of my team on Wild West has either LabyMod or 5zig. I don't really think it's an issue on WarZ or Wild West since most of the PvP is gun based. Also, the file transfer is at the users own risk. They know that they are at risk when they download stuff to their computer. Leave it up to them.
     
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