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Staff Abuse and Second Chances

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by charlottethegirl, May 23, 2017.

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Do you think Pyrotheum deserves a second chance?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe work on a couple of things

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  1. charlottethegirl

    charlottethegirl Ex- Party JMOD

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    Now, let me start off, in this thread, I am not going to state opinions about the people I talk about and I will not be bias. Let's begin.

    Now, let's talk about something that is kind of unfair in my opinion. Now, in case you weren't aware, @Pyrotheum abused his builder rank. I will not go into detail but he abused. Now do I condone this? No. What I think he did was wrong. That was nearly a year ago though, and by trying so hard to get unbanned (talking with him through the whole process) he obviously wanted to be part of the community again. He also wants to be builder again, obviously by making several applications to show his amazing skill.

    Now, to quote Lord_Roke from his application 'When you were first accepted as Builder we trusted you to work on Brawl's maps without disclosing information or abusing this position. By abusing, you destroyed this trust and all Cuddle, Putty and me fail to be able to give you this trust again.

    As you have shown with your very own actions, we can impossibly monitor what every Build team member is doing and thus we consider the risk of letting you build for Brawl again as too high.

    So unfortunately we can not accept you again as Builder for an indefinite amount of time.'

    Isn't this kind of hypocritical? Think of someone, who was recently accepted into the staff team again even though abusing nearly a year before? In case you didn't get it, it was @ritzy. Now I think ritzy deserves staff again. He made mistakes in the past and he has done his best to try make up for them. He was and is a good staff member and deserves a second chance. Doesn't this also sound like another certain someone? Of course it is pyrotheum. He made mistakes in the past and has tried his best to fix them. He was and still is a good builder (and I think deserves a second chance. Any thoughts? Happy to answer any questions through PM or on here.

    P.S Not to mention that on his builder application, he got many +1s from staff and other build members.
     
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  2. Kelsang

    Kelsang Brawler

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    I agree with this thread, however I don't agree with Ritzy's promotion. I think his promotion was premature, in that he didn't stay long after he was demoted, and all he had to do was take a hiatus and then boom, his trust was back. On the other hand, Pyrotheum tried constantly to seek forgiveness (as far as I have seen), and I believe that this shows he is trustworthy.
     
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  3. Ritzy

    Ritzy Est. 2014
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    It's been 9 months and people still think I got demoted for abusing. I give up. :hilarious:
     
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  4. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    As far as I know, Ritzy and Turmac were demoted for teaming with alting players - not abusing.

    EDIT: Nevermind ritzy is too fast (speedy gonzales intensifies)
     
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  5. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Difference is - Pyro was demoted for maliciously abusing, ritzy was demoted for an accident.

    I'm all for Pyro getting builder and even staff, because he's shown considerable improvement. However, the comparison is not a very good one.
     
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  6. oFire

    oFire Well-Known Member

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    If I'm honest I think that everyone deserves a second chance after a certain period, so Pyro should receive one as well. But because it's become such a widespread known thing that Pyro was demoted for abusing, lots still hold a grudge when they really shouldn't.
     
  7. Kelsang

    Kelsang Brawler

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    Oh ****, my bad I forgot the real reason. ****, my bad.
    EDIT: I just found the demotion video.
     
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  8. Champloo

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    I really appreciate you making this thread, but I'm affraid it wont help for me, I think I'll just continue with building stuff for Brawl, like the new parts of the WarZ map, and hope the admins will eventually trust me again.
     
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  9. charlottethegirl

    charlottethegirl Ex- Party JMOD

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    Sorry if I'm falsely accusing you :blush:
     
  10. DreadfulDNA

    DreadfulDNA Well Known Member

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    Personally, I don't think its fair to drag @ritzy into this. The two situations are not comparable, as Ritzy was demoted for a different reason as many others have said. However, despite my disagreement between the comparability of the two situations, I believe @Pyrotheum should be given another chance, under strict conditions.
     
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  11. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Turmac was demoted for abusing.
     
  12. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    @Turmac wait what? ;C
     
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    Sn4x5 Ex WarZ Mod

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    He killed a friend on WarZ as a joke and force tp'ed him back iirc.
     
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  14. Algelier

    Algelier Former Staff Member.

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    The situation in which @Pyrotheum has sadly gone into for a couple of months now makes me think about one thing:

    Let me think of @Striker_Sly, who was demoted because, as far as I know and according to what he told back then, he hacked on another server and this was reported to Brawl (back in 2015).
    Nonetheless, this didn't really impact Brawl directly although it is stated in the Junior Moderator Handbook that we must represent it off-duty, meaning that we have to act as if we were staff on the server we're playing on (mature, respectful etc.). The thing is now, even if he was demoted, do you think he would be accepted if he applied?
    Now what Pyrotheum did is that he abused his builder rank to make more money on WildWest (I barely heard about that I assume). However, this was a long time ago and I think a trust can be forged again as it used to be. It is clear that @Pyrotheum truly regrets his acts and I do think he won't think at any time of abiding, owing to his rank, to a rule rank and bypassing the "system".
     
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  15. ekali

    ekali Bannēd for DoX

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    Who cares what Roke thinks, it's only what Cuddled and Putty says that matters
     
  16. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    pls let pyro bild again i build official warz map with him :smile:))) @Pyrotheum has done noting bad there

    Ugh, the CTF spelling has grown into me.
     
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  17. Turmac

    Turmac Hardcore Games Enthusiast

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    Yeah I stated so in my resignation/outro, I was demoted for abusing, but /shrug
     
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  18. Brendoom

    Brendoom Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, I disagree. I find Pyro quite rude and immature at times. (In-Game I might add) But there is a good side however that I have seen.
     
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  19. GalaThundR

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    Personally I would want to give Pyro a trial period with strictly limited information about certain projects and we could see how he acts and works with that. If he does well we can allow him access to more information gradually over his time as a trial builder. Once he seems to have proven he is loyal again and won't do anything reckless we could give him a full builder rank.
    I'm all up for giving Pyro another chance so I'm trying to reach a compromise with both him and the admins. But if Roke, Putty, ect still don't trust Pyro and don't want him on the team then there's nothing we can really do about it.
     
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  20. Champloo

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    We all know that was only to you, because you always manage to turn any thread into a flame war.
     
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