Religion Debates and Discussions

I've been in that situation and haven't done it.

 

Now we're getting into the juicy stuff. Do angels think? Do they have free will? I think they make their own choices and are 1,000% Devoted and committed to God and his plan. I think the bigger issue with that story is that the "angel" was in human form for so long.

As far is spiritual intervention with our world... well, angels can only do so much, because there are these things called demons....

 

Well yeah, I mean ultimately all men have the potential to be sexual abusers and it'd be disingenuous for a man to say they would never do such a thing but what really strikes me is how candid you are about it...

You can have "sex" and therefore "rape" without putting your peen in a vageen. Or at least, that's what we've been taught. Either way, it's still illegal and morally wrong in my view.

 

I hope this makes sense to you. Myself Gehenna. I would be lying if I said that it didn't cross my mind but it's about self control. Yeah, it's true that no one else would know and I wouldn't face any reprucussions, but you know who would know? Myself. I couldn't live with myself knowing what I did. Although I may not bieleve in a creator I still want to take only good things to my grave.

 

I think that Freud was pretty insane tbh. His thoughts on id, ego, & superego are the most famous and in my opinion most useful pieces of his work. It's important to remember that psychology is mostly pseudoscience, because it's not easily generalizable. In physics, for example, if you observe something, you can repeat the process. In psychology, that is much, much harder to do, so to me, it doesn't count as a full science.
To be clear, I don't think psychology is useless, just that it shouldn't be taken as a final say in how a person will act in a given scenario. Everyone is different in many ways.

 

Well, so that doesn't really say anything about atheism, so much as it says something about you. And it doesn't paint a pretty picture...

Also I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you implying that other atheists think like this? I mean, I don't... most atheists don't...

 

I don't know how much of this thread you've read, but a fair amount of it is using facts and known things to extrapolate to the unknown.
The point wasn't to have a discussion about religion and atheism coexisting, it was to have a debate. Everything's fair game, as long as people act humanely here (which, to be fair, isn't always the case)

 

As an atheist with an atheist family and many atheist friends (which, obviously, have shaped what I grew up believing), I can confirm that is not the way that vast majority think.
I think maybe it's the idea of such a huge change in beliefs and the desire to act on the change that's causing you to think that? I mean, I'm not a psychologist, and I'm not inside your brain so correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just my thought. Similar to how a dog off of a chain (pardon the metaphor) can run around sort of aimlessly after getting free, even if it struggled to break free before. Or how the same dog might catch a squirrel it's been chasing for a long time, and then drop it because it didn't expect to catch it, or it doesn't know how to react now that it has. The idea of such a change or result might influence people to think or act different than they might have previously.
Of course, I'm not trying to say anything about Christianity with the metaphors. They were just the first things that came to mind. I'm not trying to compare Christians to dogs.

 

I've sort of touched on this previously when talking about how morals could have evolved. In the barest, primitive sense, the point is that we can help our species advance. I think that now, morals and social language have been so encoded into our genes and societal pressures that our brain probably releases negative response chemicals when we act immorally and positive chemicals when we avoid acting immorally (I'd love to see some research on this, but I haven't yet. It'd be fascinating to me to see how this really works. Because I haven't seen any research, take it only has a hypothesis, and not a theory.)

That makes sense. Things like that can really mess with people's minds.

 

im atheist and i believe in good and evil. it's evil to sexually assault a girl that's sleeping regardless if its your girlfriend or not. it's good to give a man in need of food something to eat.

Yes, I, as an atheist, would sexually assault a girl, because I know God isn't watching me.
lol you're making no sense at this point, why would i sexually assault a girl if i knew god isnt watching me? just because i'm an athiest doesn't mean i don't have morals.

Totally different things.

yea, except your girlfriend wouldn't deserve to be with you if you didn't tell her about that? therefore she would know?

the fact that it's violating my girlfriend? if i want to have sex with my girlfriend, i'm going to ask her, not do it when she's asleep and not consenting to it.

 

you not having morals =/= other people dont have feelings

but you refuse to tolerate them. it says "or", not "and"

if i kill a man because he had a gun to my head, have i sinned?
that man had a family, why is that not a sin? how can killing be justified? wars are not self defense. wars are gory acts of "sin".
why doesn't god send his angels now? what could god possibly be thinking? with some of the worst rates of poverty and despair in the world currently (middle east for example), why doesn't god do something about it? why kill an innocent family whose ancestors chose to live in the middle east? what have they done wrong to deserve death? is gods killing justifiable because it's "self defense"? what is he defending????

 

Wait, what?

So sins aren't universal, they're circumstances-based? Woah, things just got way more complicated. Is there like a judge and jury system in Heaven/Hell that determines who the initial aggressor is? If an Arab's family is killed by a US drone strike, and they then become a terrorist and get revenge against the USA, are they sinning? Because, the US was the initial aggressor in that situation. How far back do initial aggressions go? Does it outline anywhere in the Bible in what circumstances you're allowed to sin? How are we supposed to know?

Also I don't buy this "innocent deaths are unpreventable" attitude for a few reasons. Firstly, many things have been thought to be unpreventable over history that have been prevented in modern times. Secondly, that kind of attitude doesn't help anyone. Thirdly, God is all-powerful, so... Yeah.

"God doesn't kill people anymore" that should be the official motto of Christianity lmaoooo

Lots of murderers in jails haven't killed anyone in a while, doesn't mean they're nice people and it definitely doesn't mean we should worship them.

 

Yeah but here it gets tricky because what defines "immediate"? And what kind of attack? If a guy in the street walks up to me and punches me in the face, and I pull out a gun and shoot him, is that a sin?

See the thing is, I don't think any of this stuff is in the Bible. You're paraphrasing, you're deciding for yourself. That's what subjective morality is, that's what I believe. We make our own rules.