My levels are gone..@Vincz

Who the hell does /warnings every single time they get on the server lmao. HE DID THIS MONTHS AGO, guess it would be logical to do ./warnings every damn day he logs on the server since then.

Why is it so hard for one of you "staff members" to tell him beforehand, "Hey, we're wiping your levels due to a glitch you did a year ago, can we work out a more accurate level to reset you to?"

You're acting like he did the glitch purposely, it was an accident. No need for a ban, no need for a full reset, no need for anything except removing the levels that he gained illegally.

How does this make sense? You're supposed to communicate IN EVERY SITUATION. If you guys are too lazy to send a private PM explaining what will be happening so there's no confusion, I don't understand why this server has lasted as long as it has. It REALLY isn't difficult, and I don't know why you're making a big deal out of it.

Well, the only staff member he would be going against is Roke, not every other staff member in this discussion because as you said, he has more authority than all of you but Roke. They could've worked something out, and he knows more about War than every single one of you.

You fail to understand this happened A YEAR AGO. He wondered why his levels got reverted because he thought putty said he was fine with it, so he might've thought it was a glitch, HENCE WHY HE MADE THE THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. It REALLY isn't hard to understand, though I agree with you it should've been communicated in a PM beforehand.

Again, makes no sense. Every punishment you're supposed to communicate beforehand. He was giving a warning IN GAME, sure. While he was OFFLINE, sure. When nobody does the ./WARNINGS COMMAND, sure. He should've been PMd on the forums, and I don't see why it's such a big deal. This is like a child arguing with his parents that he doesn't want to do the dishes or some **** that he's supposed to do. Why? Laziness? It's not difficult.

If you lied to putty you deserve more than what you got if I'm being honest, but all I'm arguing for is staff communication like Evil is, and I don't know why they're whining about having to do their damn job.

 

Thnx @tallscot for summing it up.
Only two things are:

I have to say that that's not exactly true, I discovered it by accident and then - of course - I wanted to test it, so I managed to somehow boost myself up to a level of choice, which ended up to be the funny number 234. So it wasn't an accident, more like a test

I never meant to cover up the truth by saying the glitch was 'legit', I actually meant something else but chickenputty answered that he was aware that it of course it was obtained by a glitch, thus he already knew that it was not 'legit'. (It's like saying to the police after you have been arrested "I did nothing wrong").

I am just kind of wondering why one incorrect answer to the serverteam waves away any form of communication between the serverteam and me?
Sounds more like an excuse made up afterwards by BrawlismyCity instead of admitting they forgot it.

 

Why does the communication matter so much? By telling him you're basically just giving him notice that he got caught which is polite but unnecessary. And why be polite to someone that just tried to break your game? Perhaps if he had a question as to why he got unleveled, he could ask staff and receive that explanation.

In short: that staff in no more obligated to inform him of what happened than a police officer is obligated to tell someone who's been arrested what jail they're going to.

Okay, now that I actually understand what happened:

First off, if you found a glitch, never test it yourself. Tell staff. I think that's actually in the rules, but if it isn't, common sense should prevail there.

Second, if you lied about what you did it makes it very difficult for the staff to trust anything else you've said.
From my understanding, you did lose levels, but you weren't level wiped.
From the nature of past punishments, I'd say you're lucky to still have those levels.

 

No but the jury/police is obligated to hear what the suspect has to say. Half of the serverteam doesn't even know what happened. That's what's bothering me.

Again, I didn't blatantly lie to anyone. And every War-staffmember knows it was a glitch. So I'm just curious why nobody has ever asked me what, how and when sh*t happened.

 

That is not at all the situation we're in. The better comparison would be "police officer is not obligated to tell someone who's been arrested what they're going to jail for". And yes, they are supposed to do that.

It's not "polite", staff are literally supposed to do that, why do you think they have the ban reason listed whenever you get banned in-game? If they would've told him what happened, that he got caught, his whole thread could've been avoided, and there would've been no confusion. It's not hard.

 

I'm sorry, lied was the wrong word. Misrepresented? Anyways. The real point is that the lack of communication was likely due to trust issues which maybe weren't entirely your fault.
However, it's a little hypocritical to demand communication when you failed to tell staff about the glitch yourself.

Sure. The comparison was poor. Got it.

 

For clarification before I make another long post, you're upset about getting dropped 30 levels more than you should've been and the fact that there is little to no communication between staff and the community, right vincz?

 

"Few months ago", it was one year. I forget every glitch I've done a year ago, not everybody has a perfect memory like you.

So when you're banning somebody in-game, you don't give a reason for the ban? You're doing your job wrong then. When you're banning somebody on the forums, you don't give them a reason? You're doing your job wrong then. And when I said "you guys" are lazy, I was implying the entire staff team, not you specifically.

He was War Manager for a reason, so I would assume yes, he does know more about war than the rest of the staff team, including Roke as he hasn't played in years.

 

Never said you shouldn't be punished for it, that's not even what my argument right there was about. SoCool said he should've known why his levels were reverted, I told him he might've forgotten because it was a year ago.

They aren't different whatsoever. They're both punishments. When you say you don't need to communicate with the community if they were punished while offline, that's the stupidest thing I've heard. If anything, you need to communicate MORE in these situations so that there's no confusion. If I said something in chat a year ago and then I get muted for it today while I'm offline, I join the server and see I'm muted without a reason for me to find, I would be confused. It's the same situation, he was punished while offline because of something that he thought was settled back with putty a year ago. So no, it's not common sense as to why his levels were reverted, he might've thought it was another glitch or a rollback. That's why he made the thread.

They're not going to choose a CTF player to be War Manager. They choose who they feel knows the most about the gamemode and who they feel is the best person for the job.

 

My 2 points are:
1) It's not right to punish me with -30 levels, that's just my own subjective opinion (but honestly, I don't really care anymore and there are quite some arguments to drop me 30 levels, such as not asking chickenputty right away that it was a mistake and not approaching the serverteam about the glitch)

2) The more important point: The serverteam had a debate and jumped to a conclusion, but without asking me for any form of information or clarification. Without this they have the wrong idea about what happened so it has clearly not been a fair process. If they had talked with me about the glitch, and then came to the same conclusion, I would understand. But this feels like unfair trial, I didn't hack or cheat, I just discovered a glitch.
Saying that I can't be trusted because I ONCE said THE WRONG WORD to someone 1 YEAR AGO is utter and complete horesh*t. I already have told, last year, to several mods on war that it was a glitch.

The fact that they didn't send me a proper and nice 'Heads up, we're bout to wreck your level forever'-message also bothers me, it's also - i think - one of the reasons MR_EVIL_OVERLORD started this thread, but that is just something the server does, depending how nice they are. It's not a disaster that they didn't send any message.

 

I'll agree that dropping you an extra 30 levels was no right of them. There's not a lot of things they can say to convince me that it was for the better.

The second point I'm on the fence about. While you are in fact a very loyal brawler, the staff team didn't know you accidently said the wrong word until just now. So I'm sure they felt cheated then as much as you do now. I don't think they're saying you can't be trusted, period. Instead, I believe they're just not sure whether they can trust you in this particular situation because, to them, you're clearly upset about this and they're not sure if you'd make stuff up to show them they're wrong for doing what they did.

As for the third point, I agree they should've told you and it was unprofessional of them not to. But you need to remember that most of the staff team are really young. They have no idea what it means to be professional, so they're trying their best. When people are afraid of talking to people, a lot of times they clam up and that causes a communication problem. I'm thinking that there's just no one around right now on the staff team who's willing to rise to the occasion and be that link between the community and the staff team, and that's fine.

So while I agree that they should've let you know and I can understand your anger at not being told beforehand, I think we as the community are expecting too much from staff. They're young and have shown to not know how to handle communication between the staff and community, so I think it's foolish of us to continue to expect communication from them, if that makes any sense.

 

Funny thread

 

Well, he wouldn't have created that thread if he didn't know why his stats were reverted ./shrug

If you ban somebody in-game, you're supposed to give a reason so when they try to join the server it shows why they were banned. If you mute somebody in-game, you still give a reason for the mute so when they do ./warnings it says. He didn't know to do ./warnings because, well, who would? Putty told him he was alright with it 1 year ago, and then 1 year later he finds his stats cleared. Why would his first instinct be to type ./warnings? Hell, I didn't even know that was a command until recently. Maybe you should advertise that a bit more.

But we're talking about the staff members that were a part of this discussion. No War JMOD that knows more about War than Rock was a part of this. Name a mod that knows more about War than Rock. And don't say yourself, because that's incorrect.

 

He said "I'm watching you", which implies that if he glitched again he would be punished.

 

It wasn't a lie. I just mis-used the word legit and chickenputty corrected me allright?
You're spinning this around that one sentence one year ago.

All the mods on War knew that I glitched and nobody ever asked me about getting back to level 150, that's what this is about.