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  1. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    Duh, and any Liberal news source will tell you that the conservative outlets are fake news. Truth is they're both bias. Don't act like Fox News is all about the truth lol

    https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-bible-is-fiction-a-collection-of-evidence/#gs.8WyirgU
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    Can someone explain why the bibles flood is so similar to the Gilgamesh epic mythology?
     
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    I've never heard of the Giglamesh epic mythology. Could you explain what that is?
     
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    To me, religion is a manmade thing.

    Each tribe came up with its own religion, and from what I have noticed each of them make up a religion that makes them special or superior to other nations.

    Take the Jewish religion for example. They suggest that "god" picked them to carry "his" message.
    Or Christianity, a religion I once was a follower of, suggests that Jesus was born as a Jew, where Christianity also came from Jews.

    Take some completely foreign multi-theist religions from some foreign tribes. I once heard about an African, if I remember well, religion, with a spider kind of god called Anansi. From my point of view, the ones that came out with this religion probably observed something new, strange to them a.k.a a spider where in Africa I am aware there are lots of them and took it as an idea for their new religion.

    Blah blah the end.
     
  4. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Too late

    The reason is probably because the bible isn't full of lies and stuff, many things actually happened. I'm convinced the flood was real because the flood lore exists in greek, roman, african, middle eastern, etc. tales. It's accepted as fact that Jesus was real. Mohammed was real. Moses was real. Buddha was real. Their status is somewhat up for debate, whether they are divine, prophets, just guys or somewhere in between, but aside from some really crazy stuff that happens, I'd say the bible (both testaments) is based loosely on actual events, although it was recorded some time after the events occurred and changed over time.
    Furthermore if you spend too much time in waiting rooms with the history channel on, they explain how most things in the bible could've happened. They'll also tell you humanity has had contact with aliens recently though, so...
     
  6. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    "Jesus’s Story is an Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters"

    All those figures, besides Buddha and Apollonius, never historically existed.
    I'm pretty sure Buddha's origin story is fake, considering there are no angels or any supernatural being in Buddhism, so the whole blog must be fake.
     
  7. Gohabsgo

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    I don't understand why you think that them existing has anything to do with the point he's making. He's saying that Jesus is a mixture of these characters from other myths.

    But how would both accounts know about details such as the birds? How did the Babylonians know these small details that are paralleled to the bible?

    I could see your point if it was just a different account of the great flood, that would just add legitimacy. However what I see here is a very similar story with different names.
     
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  8. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Most historians believe Moses never actually existed and is just a legendary figure, which is weird. If Moses never existed, then the author of the first five books of the Bible is unknown.

    Citation from Wikipedia
    William G. Dever 'What Remains of the House That Albright Built?,' in George Ernest Wright, Frank Moore Cross, Edward Fay Campbell, Floyd Vivian Filson (eds.) The Biblical Archaeologist, American Schools of Oriental Research, Scholars Press, Vol. 56, No 1, 2 March 1993 pp.25-35, p.33: 'the overwhelming scholarly consensus today is that Moses is a mythical figure.'
     
  9. Usp45

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    well the overwhelming scholarly consensus is that evolution is real but whatever
     
  10. Gohabsgo

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    Human thinking is flawed remember?
     
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    Sort of. I'm saying that these things happened. Some stories are blends, some are altered, but some are exaggerated fact. Most historians accept Jesus, Mohammed, and several other figures to be real people. Especially Jesus. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Moses, a prophet in THREE major religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) was a mythical figure, although I won't altogether dismiss that.
     
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    Yeah, I've never heard of angels in buddhism, but it doesn't mean the whole religion is a fake. In fact, to me, it makes it more believable.
     
  14. 19Cameron91

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    Angels in Buddhism makes it more believable? Why don't you believe in Christianity?




    I found two interesting articles. After seeing a few articles, I know to stay away from Express.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/834203/Bible-was-WRONG-canaanite-hebrew-israelite
    Some could've fled.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/831502/Christianity-WRONG-Satan-evil-devil-is-good
    OK, this one is funny and sad at the same time. Yeah, Satan, the one responsible for why the world is terrible, is a good guy.
     
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    a lot of your arguments are composed of "pretty sure" statements.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/angels-of-the-bhagavad-gita-124013

    hindus, most of the time, will believe in angels or angelic beings.
    buddha and buddhas family was hindu.
    buddha's story happens and buddha is now the founder of buddhism.

    christian hypocrisy will always be a disease.

    yeah, express is **** (no sarcasm)

    another "could have" statement

    the article states that there is no proof of satan being evil.

    but then again, that is just that one certain scientists opinion. not the entirety of scientists.

    also; satan can be seen as a good thing. like i said a while ago, the world wouldnt seem great without evil in it.
    again, i'll explain:
    you have sunny days for every single day of your life. you'd grow accustom, and take it for granted, and not appreciate it, and most likely end up feeling neutral towards them.
    now in a different universe, all you have is rainy days. you'd grow accustom once again, take it for granted, and probably end up feeling neutral towards it again.
    in this 3rd universe, you're going to have a mix of both. pluviophiles (rain lovers) will enjoy the rainy days more, and heliophiles (sun lovers) (most of the population) will enjoy the sunny days. but you wouldn't have pluvio/heliophiles in the first place if there werent a mix of either. if you were a heliophile, you would come to the conclusion that sun is good and rain is bad.



    good can NOT exist without evil. even if the world had no wars, no conflict, no hunger, disease, or genetic defects, it would not be a "good" world to those inhabitants. it would be neutral.
    by the nature of our laws of physics and "laws of judgement", we can say there is good and evil.


    so if you take a look at it from the outside of the box, you'll come to the deduction that satan makes the good in the world flourish.
     
  16. percnowitizki

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    damn.
     
  17. 19Cameron91

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    I don't know what you are pointing at as hypocritical.

    There was already good and evil when God created everything. He already decided what is right and wrong. Satan rebelled against God. That's evil, the first evil act.
    To say Satan makes the good in the world flourish is ludicrous. It's very much the opposite. There is far more evil in the world than good.
     
  18. GlobalistCuck

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    Gehenna, I have a new question. You say you can't trust evolution and human-made discoveries because man is flawed and influenced by Satan and stuff right? (Let me know if I got that wrong)

    Well, you were taught Christianity by a human. Why did you trust whoever taught you Christianity over the biology teacher trying to teach you evolution?
     
  19. Sir_Inge

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    Because the priest was a youtube commenter.

    FIRST.
     
  20. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Because, technically, the person is not the teacher. God is teaching through that person.
     
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