Religion Debates and Discussions

I didn't say anything about homosexuality, nor did I say anything about abortion.

 

"Being against homosexuality and abortion doesn't have to come from a religious mindset"

Well it doesn't have to, but in America it almost always does. Those who are religiously unaffiliated are massively pro-gay and pro-abortion rights, and atheists are even more so.

1. OK if we ignore Old Testament laws, what kind of legislation would you like to see that discourages sinful acts and lifestyles? Could you expand a bit?

2. Tell them to drop a rock? They say it proves nothing about the shape of the earth. Earth is round from footage? Photos and video can be faked, we've all seen it done. People have travelled round the world? They say they can't explain that and they don't know how it works but they don't want to know.

See, this is what it's like debating you on evolution. The evidence is right there, as plain as the shape of earth, yet you won't even educate yourself on it. Willful ignorance is the worst kind of ignorance in situations like these. If everyone had the same mindset as you Gehenna, that we should come to conclusions with considering other viewpoints or even considering evidence, then the world would be a much more fked up place.

 

1. Uh, you can make homosexuality illegal. Also what do you mean your lesbian great aunt "no longer practices"? Did she stop being gay or something? what?

2. You told me that you don't fully know about evolution and that you don't want to. I don't fully know about religion but I DO want to. See the difference?

Can you please go through point by point and explain why this evidence is fake.

- Fossils
- Observation of evolution (butterflies turning black in industrial age, things like that)
- Antibiotics changing to bacteria evolving
- DNA evidence (you can see ancestry of different species and how they evolved by closely examining their DNA)
- Carbon dating
- Geological analysis which shows the earth is over 6,000 years old.

Those last two (carbon dating and looking at rocks) aren't proof of evolution but they're proof of the age of the earth. And if you accept that the earth is billions of years old, evolution is the next logical step.

And then can you please provide me with SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of God being real and the Bible being accurate? I might accept some historical or circumstantial evidence depending on the situation. Here are things I want evidence of:

- Humans being able to live to 900 years old
- Noah's Ark (including how he fit all those animals in there)
- Two organisms (like Adam and Eve) being able to produce a population with sufficient genetic variation.
- The earth being 6,000 years old
- Jesus being the son of God
- The Bible being true in its entirety (being the word of God, stuff like that)
- Humans hunting dinosaurs and millions of other species to extinction.
- etc, etc.

If you believe that there would be no conflict if everyone thought like you, I don't know what to say...
How many wars have been fought over religion? How many have been fought over atheism? Religion was a large factor in colonialism, which featured many atrocities. Religion has stifled science for centuries; imagine if we'd had antibiotics 500 years ago, how many lives could've been saved. Religion is why people fly planes into buildings.

 

Use Christian biased sources to prove Christian views. Beautiful.

80% of creationist theories I've seen have no evidence. I think you need to understand what evidence is beforehand.
Need an explanation of why our evidence can be trusted? Take a look at the world around you. Science can explain the majority of events happening around us because you can see it within your own eyes, also, it can be tested. You can even go create your own little bacteria world with microscopic buddies evolving into different species -> core element to evolution.
Learning about evolution is just as beautiful as your creationist theory.

 

@Gehenna_Beam and @GlobalistCuck what are your opinions about Jehova's? In my opinion they are kinda aanoying, because they never celebrate anything, never do anything to enjoy themaelves and often come up to your door and try to convert you. I was wondering what your opinions were on that.

 

It's a cult.

 

Don't know much about them compared with other aspects of religion but I think in general they're pretty batsht crazy.

I had a maths teacher who used to be a Jehovah's Witness, she seemed normal but I guess she left, so...

 

I'm neither of these people, but I'll answer anyway.
I once answered the door to some Jehovas Witnesses, and didn't know who they were until my mom actually looked at the pamphlet they gave me. I think the idea that they're annoying is pretty strong in everyone, but my experience is that they're just like any other door-to-door salesman casting a pitch, and aren't any more annoying.

2. There's a difference between ignoring evidence and providing rebuttals. Most of creationism can be explicitly shown to be false, but similar responses to evolution are few and far between.

If everyone had the same mindset as any same person, the world would have much less conflict, because there wouldn't ever be disagreements. It's true that if everyone held your beliefs and ideals the world would be better, but that's just as true for me, and for everyone.

Also, it's not like creationism is absolutely necessary to survival either. But if we know about the processes behind evolution, and how we can, in theory, manipulate it and speed it up, we can do lots of things with lots of real world value.

 

everything idea that exists on this earth is a human made concept

god you may have a mental condition.

WE HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARBON DATING AND THE OTHER FORMS OF RADIOMETRIC DATING THAT PROVE THEM TO BE TRUE

 

how is it the opposite?
if there was no evil, there would be no good. it is as simple as that. i did not say satan was good. i said satan makes the good in the world flourish. you would not notice the good in the world if there was no evil.

fossils - you gave no evidence, just a claim.
antibiotics/bacteria - if micro evolution exists why wouldnt evolution exist?

"I can only go by circumstantial and theoretical evidence."
that is a big reason why we cant trust you

900yo humans - you gave a theory not fact
jesus/god-son/father - why would hundreds of people lie about the earth being over 6000 years old, evolution being 99.999999% likely, and god not being real?
bible being true - you're using the bible as evidence for the bible (again)
dinosaurs extinct bc of humans - you didnt even answer the question

occult =/= evil, satan, etc.
occult means hidden.

tbh math isn't necessary to live a life either it's just literature that you should practice on
youll get book smart by learning math but youll get world smart by reading

whats bad about drugs?
you know that **** that the dentist puts you on?
thats a drug
i think you meant recreational drug use; and even then, people attempt to get prescribed xanax all the time
also weed isnt even bad for you as long as you have the smallest bit of willpower to not get addicted lol

 

Can you define theoretical evidence for me? I was able to find circumstantial evidence, but not theoretical.
As far as I can see, circumstantial evidence is pretty weak in general, since it relies on inference based on loosely-related or unrelated facts (e.g. I have a dog, there's dog **** on someone's lawn, thus it was my dog that shat on said lawn). It leaves room for other interpretations or explanations (someone else's dog shat on the lawn). It's a sort of initiation to further investigation, but it isn't the smoking gun.

 

1. Well yeah, that's true for like every crime ever.

2.

FOSSILS - Yeah I asked for evidence and you give me a conclusion. Evidence please?

OBSERVATION OF EVOLUTION - Let me explain this point further. There is a species of moth (not butterfly, sorry) that comes in two colours; black and white. Yet during the Industrial Revolution people noticed that black moths were suddenly becoming far more common than white ones. Researchers looked into this and determined that soot and pollution from industrial areas made it easier for black moths to camouflage themselves. This is clear evidence of evolution. The moths encountered a change in environment, natural selection took place, and the species changed to become far more black than it previously was.

ANTIBIOTICS - And I told you that micro evolution IS macro evolution. They're the same thing! A bunch of small changes results in a big change! This pretty much shows that you're not interested in evidence, just what your Bible says. You'll believe in micro evolution because it doesn't disprove the Bible, but you won't believe in macro evolution because it does disprove the Bible, even though they amount to the same thing! If you can explain how micro evolution can work without macro evolution working then I'm all ears. Also I hope you understand that bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics isn't exactly a small change.

DNA EVIDENCE - If you study genes and fossil records you can see how and when different species evolved from each other, to an extent. That's how we know roughly how long ago we had a common ancestor with chimpanzees and other animals. We can use this data to construct a sort of tree of evolution. This one is a flimsier case I'll admit, because I don't fully understand it, from what I know it's quite advanced science. But it's accepted as working practice by pretty much all biologists, so are they stupid or are they all in some grand conspiracy? Which one is it?

CARBON DATING - By measuring the amount of Carbon-14 left in an organism we can make a good estimate of how long ago it died. It's accurate to about 60,000 years, which does sort of disprove creationism... Could you explain why Carbon Dating doesn't work?

GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE - We know the age of the Earth roughly based on radiometric dating. This is like Carbon a Dating, but it's not limited to Carbon. Uranium-Lead dating can be using date rocks all the way back to 4.5 billion years ago. Of course, I can't myself prove that the Earth is exactly 4.5 billion years old, there's a fair bit of science and maths involved in that and no estimate will ever be 100% accurate. But what these methods clearly and undeniably show is that the Earth is billions of years old. Conclusion: the Bible is wrong.

HUMANS LIVING TO BE 900 - Yeah you're giving me how, not evidence. I could say "unicorns can fly due to advance aerodynamics". It's a BS explanation of how a fake thing could be real, but there's no actual evidence. And I mean if humans lived to be 900, and the Earth is 6,000 years old, and we all started from 2 people... The math just doesn't check out. You see that, right?

NOAH'S ARK - Link me whatever you want. It'll probably be biased and it'll probably be BS but I'll read it anyway.

EARTH BEING 6,000 YEARS OLD - Are you serious? are you finally coming round? The Earth might be more than 6,000 years old?!?! YES! BREAKTHROUGH!

JESUS SON OF GOD - Well, for the same reason anyone lies. I can't claim to know exactly why, but your "eyewitness accounts" are flimsy af. I mean, why would Joseph Smith the founder of Mormonism lie about seeing angels? Why would anyone lie about seeing Gods? There are plenty of people out there from different religions who've claimed to see supernatural things. Are they all lying?

BIBLE IS TRUE - Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just try to say that the Bible is true because it says so in the Bible? Do you have verifiable outside sources that prove its accuracy?

HUMANS HUNTING DINOSAURS ETC. - Climate change drastic enough to wipe out 90% or more of all species on the planet, yet not drastic enough that we have any evidence of it, not drastic enough that it affected humans in any tangible way? You know, it's not just dinosaurs. There are fossil records of thousands of species if not millions that existed before we did. In your story they all died to climate changed within a few thousand years? Also,we have no evidence of us living alongside them...

 

Edins point is that without evil in the world, good would be the norm, and people get accustomed to the norm. With evil, though, we can appreciate what good there is. I think a better word than "flourish" for his point wound be "be appreciated."

Why is it that direct and demonstrative evidences aren't acceptable methods of proof to you?


I also wrote an essay last year about the evidences for evolution. I can't get it right now, because I'm on my phone on vacation without my laptop, but I'll send it when I can. It's framed in the lens of "should evolution be taught in schools," so it won't all apply to this discussion, but it could clear up a lot of what I feel is causing confusion here.

 

Pretty much just sums up everything.

Pack your bags, We're done here.

 

Twas moths. Offwhite was the favored allele as it blended well with tree bark; then during the industrial revolution, soot covered trees reduced visibility of black moths to predators. After clean air laws were passed, offwhite moths flourished. and became the favorable allele yet again.

EDIT didn't see next post, henis clearly ****in destroyed everyone.

 

i never said evil doesnt flourish because of satan. the evil makes us notice the good in the world.

you never gave any evidence whatsoever; you gave claims.

And we're not lying. We sincerely believe that from our studies (which provide logical evidence)
thats why most people here dont believe that the bible is the word of god
you didn't, you're just lying at this point, he asked:
"can you please provide me with [god and the bible being accurate] ... Here are things I want evidence of:
...
- Humans hunting dinosaurs and millions of other species to extinction."

and you said:
"I know I said humans may have hunted certain species to extinction. I also said things like climate change could have contributed."
that is NOT answering the question.

it is a statistical impossibility for anyone with half of a brain to not know how to count. do you really need to know what e^3.14*i is? you are able to lead a normal life without it. you are not able to lead a normal life without knowing how to read. i would like a clear rebuttal to my claim "math is not a necessity for life".

man, i'd love to see you stoned. i don't really have an argument here but i don't necessarily disagree with you because this is purely just opinion.

 

radical muslim right here^^