Religion Debates and Discussions

bringing this **** back boys now let me tell u a little something most of this may have seemed passive aggressive but i assure you that no one here completely hates each other. lots of us think the other party is stupid but thats just how it is sometimes. but challenging your beliefs and hearing counter arguments is one of the ways to develop a way of rationally thinking for yourself and i for one am quite impressed that this has had 75 pages worth of autism and no ones opinion on practically anything has changed

 

well yes, christianity wouldnt have become as big as it was today if the europeans didnt force the entire world to be christian or die...

 

no, i dont have to admit that because something like that is definitely up for debate, and im referring more to the spanish inquisition

 

"Ottoman religious tolerance was notable for being a bit better than that which existed elsewhere in other great past or contemporary empires, such as Spain or England."

"Under Ottoman rule, dhimmis (non-Muslim subjects) were allowed to "practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy" (see: Millet) and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property."

 

Alright, I am just going to say a few points about the Spanish Inquisition. The purpose of the Inquisition was to prevent a total Muslim and Jewish takeover. At the time if you were not Catholic you could not hold a position of power in the Spanish government and many Jews (some Muslims) converted just to gain power. Unfortunately a lot of the people falsely converting tried to spread malicious gossip to try and overthrow the government. To remedy this the inquisition would often randomly or rely on reports to bring people in for interrogation.

Now I know how people make out the Spanish Inquisition to be some horrendous thing in The Church's history but it wasn't as inhumane as many seem to realize. Yes, the inquisition did use torture techniques in an interrogation, however, a person could only be tortured twice in their life by the inquisition and for no more than 15 minutes. They also brought doctors in to assess the person's physical and mental health before and during the torture. And to note, the torture methods used by the Spanish Inquisition are considered to be much more humane than the other torture techniques that existed at the time. Yes, people did die, but this is mainly when a person was found to be guilty of being a false convert. I once saw a statistic that claimed that the Inquisition killed over 100,000 people when in actuality only about 2000-5000 people died. Still, a lot don't get me wrong, but it is nowhere near as horrendous as many people make it out to be.

 

ah yes, when i rape women its only the tip and i only rape once a month for 10 minutes at a time

please provide sources that point to the spanish inquisition being anything other than a medieval holocaust

 

Pretty bad

 

No problem, the book is called The Cleaving of Christendom written by the well-known historian Warren Carroll. If you find the book let me know and I can provide exact sections for you to look over. Also, think of it like this: If the U.S.A was able to stop the bombing of 9/11 by finding the culprits and then using torture methods to prevent the mass loss of lives, would it be justified?

 

yes, but they didnt and just found false targets, very similarly to how the spanish inquisition found the wrong targets as an attempt to control people that werent christians

one book? yikes

 

no excuse for torture. just jail them

 

I've grown up in a home where my family would always say they're Christian yet nobody ever made an effort to go to church. So my household had a pretty neutral effect on me. Evolution doesn't exist, Jesus is great, but bad television is alright. You get it. My best friend's family was extremely religious, it's safe to say that at least 90% of my schools' students have always been religious, and I never had an abundance of influence to say God doesn't exist. So my knowledge in anything in regards to religion is quite limited and yet my interest on the matter is pretty short, or rather I don't understand it and never really have. Ever since since I've attended my religious college for over two years I've come to question the students' thinking process when they're given tools to formulate their own beliefs. I wouldn't dare ask anyone about what they think because I'd become an immediately outcast or at the minimum I'd have a slight barrier of awkwardness and distrust accumulate between my friends and I. So I'll safely ask a few questions here on a Minecraft forum. Would you agree religion is mostly fueled by what you've been taught, fitting into your culture, and staying within your customs or would you beg to differ? Is that what keeps you from disbanding your beliefs? Most people I find turning to religion from being agnostic or proclaimed atheists are people who've grown up adapt with religious backgrounds or people who are within such a fragile state of mind that they require some form of guidance to keep them from self destruction. As hinted I've grown up around people with religious backgrounds but I've never understood it. I've read bible verses in religious ed., lead prayers, attended church with multiple families, and went to group meetings but everything I was told and everything around me was foreign. I've never understood it regardless of having tried and regardless of being down some extremely rocky paths. I've even had a phase, possibly a near death experience on numerous occasions where I was certain my heart would stop within a few months. It was a heart valve problem that luckily fixed itself with growth, but point being I've never had the urge to 'find God'. It was the last thing going through my mind when I blacked out on the couch from the lack of oxygen or on the three occasions when I was being rushed to the hospital with my entire body shocked with numbness. I did have a moment after a visit with the heart specialists where I'd thought of the consequences if the bible were true. But even with death being surreal the thoughts of burning in a eternal hell forever versus what I've learned and experienced in life wouldn't let me care anymore for religion. If I were to say tell myself I believed I'd be lying. It's always seemed like a family tradition, a way of acceptance, and how people cope with life. I have nothing against it morally. But religion really doesn't make sense in terms of logically thinking things out does it? *I'm not trying to bash on religion although it's required to explain my opinion without beating the bush. And my questions are asked in a sense of curiosity over disprovement. I honestly have no interest in taking anyone's morals or beliefs away but I do find myself wondering how they adhere to them.

 

lmaoooooooooo i fking love this

well torture is neither effective nor does it abide by human rights, so I'd say no.

can we stop with the medieval religion apologetics and just agree that both sides were pretty crap?

and if we can agree on that, then it begs the question: why should we continue to follow the same holy book/s that provoked such violence and inhumanity?

 

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there is no such thing as 'humane' torture. Torture is torture: horrible, inhumane, and almost always ineffective for obtaining useful information. All medieval societies practicied it, to one degree or another. The fact that an arm of the Catholic Church (Spanish Inquisition) practiced it makes it even worse, imo, because they were doing the exact opposite of what Christ preached - to heal, not kill.

Christianity and Islam did not create torture or encourage it. Societies engaged in horrific violence well before Christ was born and certainly before Muhammad. Virtually all violence that came from religious organizations (medieval Catholic Church is a good example) is largely because the various people at the upper echelons, the bishops/archbisops and most popes - practiced/funded violence in the name of God to protect and strengthen their positions of power in society. For instance, dissidents of the Church were branded as heretics and were sometimes burned at the stake for it - also one of the reasons why the Reformation was so violent. Luther's ideas threatened Church power

 

Well, I spoke my piece on it. So bye now

 

We still have no evidence of God to disprove him. So, yeah.
Humanity FTW.

 

All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!

 

Or to approve him.