To Atheists...

A human caryotype contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, Down syndrom causes humans to have 47 chromosomes in their caryotype.
I'll agree with you on what you said all above thought, yeah, all we know could be wrong, that's why science changes as new discoveries are made, and that's also why taking a book which hasn't changed in thousands years for science is probably a bad idea ...

 

Oh yeah, I know. I just thought of the idea of 47 pairs of chromosomes and giggled a little

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...l-of-north-korean-gulag-idUSTRE74275D20110504

So God is North Korean. Got it.

 

A potatoes has 2 more chromosomes than me, so I'm 96% of a potato, undeniable science.

So sins are a new magical entity that can do things? And God still can't control sins?

A more correct analogy to what happened in tha Garden of Eden would be that only the innocent kid got punnished. Eitherway, if God is all knowing, he knows that they got tricked, it's not like your example in which the parents doubt of what said the innocent kid. If his brother admit in front of his parents that he tricked him, he wouldn't have been punnished, your comparison is wrong for these two reasons.

 

I really don't give a sh*t about your proselytizing enough to respond to the rest of your post on my lunch break rn but this bit stood out.

The reason they're thriving is due to American oil and the influence influence, not 'banning secularism'. This is a country that is rich off the natural resources they have in the ground by chance, and in every respect but money Saudi Arabia at the very least is a country with disgusting laws and practices against women and gay people that are so backwards they only recently allowed women to drive.

Nah mate, I'm pretty sure God's the one who's apparently condemning us for the actions of our parents and grandparents. That would make him Kim except infinitely worse.

 

If God was all powerful, why wouldn't the world be perfect? Why would he let the Devil, sins etc ... do harm?

There's very strong evidence of evolution, micro evolution is proven, the evolution theory has no flaws, we've predicted presence of very specific fossiles at a very specific place using this theory prooving that this system works. Flat earth theory only existed because we couldn't see the curvature of the earth, it had no other arguments in its favor than "well we don't see it round do we?". Again, this comparison is wrong, I do understand what you meant by this, but evolution is pretty much (not to say totally) a fact.

Why are we special? If you're talking about the existence of a unmaterial soul, you're going to need strong arguments to convince me. If the soul even existen what would be it's role? I'm interested in what's the soul for you.

Oil. Just oil.
And saying that laws against secularism, thus free speech, and a religious government establishing a dogma is a good thing will bring you a lot of backlash, I hope you're aware of that. Death penalty in Iran for apostasy, questionning the dogma or being homosexual, yeah, religion in Iran is definitely a giant leap in the future.

In which way is homosexuality considered bad? Other than "the Bible says so", I mean, I get why incest should be considered bad, because of mutations, and because there's an authority situation questionning the real will of the one under the authority too. But I don't really get why Homosexuality in eihter gender should be a sin.

Radiation is a physical penomenon, so obviously it is not a magical entity and has real affects on material. I must be a sinner since I don't believe in God, yet I would prefer that to be exposed to too much mSv during a long time.

Oh, I did forgot that God told them to not do it, my bad, yet Adam and Eve had two authorities telling them to listen to them each, how can you tell who's good and who's bad if they had no knowledge? Furthermore, the Devil was desguised as a snake, he didn't tell them he was Satan. Either choice was the same for them, exept they could get a free apple. The choice was obvious. Apples are great. Seriously tho how can you choose the "right" authority to obey to if you got no knowledge, thus can't have a judgement? You choose the one being the most severe? And if God doesn't send people to hell, it's Satan. Then why would Satan punnish the ones that obeyed to him?

Well I'm asking quite a lot of questions, but it's just because I'm really interested in what you think, I hope this doesn't bother you... By the way, may I ask you from what branch of christianity are you?

 

So, you believe the Bible because it makes you feel nice? You wouldn't feel nice without him? You know other drugs give you withdrawal symptoms too Gehenna... a lot of people trying to quit smoking feel like a depressed jerk for a while. But you gotta quit, regardless. And you shouldn't just believe in something because it's nice - that's living a lie. I don't know how you can do it - but it's not healthy for your state of mind. Come back to r e a l i t y.

How is hereditary sin fair? Why is it fair that a 5-year-old gets cancer just because his parents were d--kheads?

And again with this "people send themselves to Hell" crap. I mean... no. Sure you can wrangle it so that I'm RESPONSIBLE for my going to Hell (I'm really not and it's fake anyway so whatever) but it's disingenuous to say people send themselves to Hell. A person who murders and steals and gets caught is responsible for their actions and it's their fault they're in jail. But it's the police who take them to jail. The police are the actual driving force in taking that person to prison. I can admit that. Why can't you admit that, if I go to Hell, it'll be God who is the driving force in taking me to Hell? It's because what the police are doing, we know is right. We know that a murderer and a thief belongs in jail. But you're trying to absolve God of responsibility for taking me to Hell, which we know is wrong. Should I have to suffer for eternity simply because I choose not to believe something for which there is no evidence? Man up, Gehenna, foll0w your own damn literature. GOD sends people to Hell. GOD is a torturer and a committer of genocide (the flood). Even if he was real, I would not follow him, I would not love him; I could never love an authoritarian maniac. God is like the evil government in 1984 - he punishes you for your thoughts. How does it make sense to love him in the minds of all "freedom-loving good Christian 'Muricans"? I believe in freedom and I believe in democracy. I didn't vote God in. I don't like his rules and I don't like his absolute power. If God was a candidate running for President, he would get 0 votes. And no, these are not reasons why I don't believe in God. I don't base my understanding of the world on what I want - these are just reasons to not love God even if you believe in him.

"Because it tells me so. Yeah I know. Stupid Answer."

Gehenna if you know this is a stupid answer... why is it your answer? lol. It's like you're so close to a breakthrough of realizing that your circular logic is incredibly flawed and you have no way of telling if the Bible is true. JUST THINK ABOUT IT M8.

 

@loicvdb @GlobalistCuck YEA GET EM BOYS +1

 

kek

 

Like this article shows, you don't need the Bible to see the large flaws of the evolutionary theory. If you would like disprove all these questions/points @GlobalistCuck & @loicvdb, I'd love to hear it.
https://www.ucg.org/vertical-thought/prove-evolution-is-false-even-without-the-bible

 

> you don't need the Bible to see the large flaws of evolutionary theory
> clicks link thinking this some kind of secular website with actual scientific reason
> ucg.org never heard of it but they haven't mentioned God yet - looking good
> better check out the home page
> United Church of God
> "Preaching the Gospel, Preparing a People"
> hahahahahahahahahah

i rest my case

 

omg the first thing I read is "There are no fossils of creatures whose feet were changing into wing".
This guy can't even dissociate upper limbs and legs XD

Soooo, I'm gonna try to not get angry, and I might want to precise that all the potential insults are towards the author of this beautiful piece of ignorance, not you.

"The fossil record around the earth extends an average of one mile deep. Below this level we come up with a blank slate as far as living creatures are concerned."

1 mile = 1600 m
Ahem, according to Bryan Nelson of the Mother Nature Network, the scientists detected microscopic plankton fossils in chunks of granite estimated to be approximately two billion years old at a depth of 6700 meters underneath.
He's wrong by a factor of 4, clearly an idiot.


"I collect fossils of what are deemed the earliest type of complex creatures with hard bodies—trilobites. No previous ancestors of these arthropods have been found."

I'll put an image for the sake of this guy's understanding, which is clearly deficient:

trilobites vvv

^^^^^ Parvancorina

"But although there are many places on earth where 5,000 feet of sedimentary rock stretch unbroken and uniformly beneath the Cambrian [layer], not a single indisputable multi-celled fossil has been found there. It is ‘the enigma of paleontological [fossil studies] enigmas,’ ."

Again, an image should do the work:

The Cambrian Period started 541 million years ago, it would have taken him 2.68 seconds to check, but noooo, doesn't need it...


"If, after almost two centuries of digging beneath all the world’s continents, no previous ancestor of this first hard-bodied creature has been found, how then did the ubiquitous trilobite evolve? There should be some previous ancestor if evolution were true."

What do you want to find?? some medium-hard bodied fossiles?? They evolved from mollusk-like creatures, like the Parvancorinas and developped hard bodies through evolution.


"Further important evidence from the fossil record is the absence of transitional forms between species. Darwin was concerned that the thousands of intermediate stages between creatures needed to prove his theory were not in evidence, but he expected they would eventually be found. Yet those thousands of missing transitional forms are still missing!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

You're not even trying at this point.

"When there is no real evidence, evolutionary scientists simply make assumptions."

TELL ME YOU'RE JOKING
He's joking right? This guy bases his ENTIRE belief on assumptions ... how ironic ...


Well I'm going to stop here, just so you know, there's 4 parts, and I only covered the first part and the beginning of the second, you should really go check the article, a real gold mine. I can't believe people really think he's right, he hasn't made one single valid argument. Anyone, feel free to continue to obliterate this article if you're fed up with all this creationist bs.

Edit: No hate towards you religious guys on this forum, the fact that you accept the debate with the "opposite side" is already a really good thing, and I won't allow myself to insult you. I'm just a bit sick of these guys taking the time to write this kind of dishonest articles.

 

stop

 

Woops, I might have flared up a bit, time to calm down. I just couldn't stand what the article said. I was creationist an a children, and without school, I would still be. The author of the article is for creationism at school, which is the last thing I want to happen. Pointing out at his dishonesty is what I can do to prevent that.

 

Hey I have a question gehenna

How come when God says that if you eat this forbidden fruit you die

And he's wrong because they didn't die.

But when the news media says that if you eat this forbidden fruit you die


And they're correct because you totally will die if you snac on this thing?

Is the news media better at pointing out deadly forbidden fruits than f'n god?

 

What if dying when eating tide pods was an attempt from God to silence the superior minds? That would be an undeniable proof of God's existence.