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  1. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    God loves homosexuals. He hates homosexuality.
     
  2. Epicfurno

    Epicfurno HYDRA Leader

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    wtf... You are to dumb. Why do I even try arguing. How can one love homosexuals and hate homosexuality? And did god tell you this? You are implying you understand the mind of a near all powerful bring. You are not thinking this through... Just saying on impulse.

    How can god be all loving yet hate?

    Read genesis 16. It will clear things up. You clearly only listen to the bible so I will use this to tell you.

    Allah is another word for god. just a different language. so is god all loving or not? make up your mind.
     
  3. TheMafias

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    What...? You mean he doesn't support it?
     
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    ur making that up aaaand it doesnt make sense but keep trying
     
  5. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Your action don't make you who you are. If this were true, then we would be sin itself. God would have every reason to hate us and throw all of us into Hell immediately.

    Genesis 16. What am I looking for? Abraham and Sarah (their future names) got impatient with God, and Abraham committed adultery with Hagar. Hagar was berated by Sarah.

    Allah may be described as "the God of Abraham" like my God, but Islam distorts God so much that He has become another god. A false god. Christians and Muslims do not worship the same god.
    You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. - Leviticus 18:22

    If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. - Leviticus 20:13

    (9) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, (10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (11) Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    (8) But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, (9) realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers (10) and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, (11) according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted. - 1 Timothy 1:8-11

    I went and found all the passages that mention homosexuality or as they call it in the old days, effeminacy. Yeah, God's not fond of it, but to not single out homosexuality, He's not fond of the aforementioned fornication, false god worship, adultery, thievery, jealousy/envy, lying... I could go on, but there's just too much bad in the world.
     
  6. Epicfurno

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    If it is such a big deal than... why does Jesus never mention it? and God and Allah are the same. not distorted. The only thing distorted isuzu and that you made a religious debate on a f***ing Minecraft forum. You demonstrate lack of knowledge and logic frequently.

    If he doesn't like lying than you are going straight to hell. You have lied and told many untruths. If you really believe in what you say about god you should probably get some therapy. Because only that may correct your. Its surprising you have the audacity to offend other religions and beliefs when you yourself are asking that people respect christians. Its purely hypocritical and pathetic. You have also displayed the lack of fundamental beliefs of christianity. I have studied religion before in school. We get taught the facts and non-bias ideas. I suggest you go to therapy. anyone who makes a minecraft forum thread about religion needs it.

    And the bible was written over a thousand years ago. Like the universe itself ideas and what is right and what is wrong are constantly changing. There is no such thing as perfection as perfection is an opinion not a fact. God in not all powerful as paradoxes have proven it. God would not be all loving if the hate certain people. God is not all knowing because god isn't all powerful. If god was all knowing they would be all powerful. Yet the is impossible.

    And god failed. You said he created all things good. Then how was something bad? He made a mistake? Intended for cars to happen? Define good and define bad. Are they really different or just a point of view? You lack the ability to notice these basic things. You lack the ability to wonder. You only say "it is god". That is not a valid answer. just say you don't know. And did God right the bible? Or did a person right it. If the person did then they could put their personal thought in it. Therefore making it nonfactual and distorted as you.
     
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    Just because Jesus does not speak about homosexuality from his own lips when he was on Earth does not mean he approves of it. There are plenty of verses in the Bible that clearly show that God does not support homosexuality. Christianity's God and Islam's Allah are not the same. If you really think that, why do Muslims hate Jews and Christians?

    Every man sins and even if Gehenna did lie that does not mean he's going to hell. If that was true no Christian could get to heaven. But contrary to what the Catholics believe, good works do not get you into heaven and just because you sin as a Christian doesn't mean you go to hell. (I haven't read everything Gehenna said so I'm not sure what he could've lied about, but whatever) There's a difference between trying to "offend other religions" and sharing your personal beliefs. I'll be honest, I have not read a ton posts on this thread recently, so I'm not sure what all Gehenna believes and if it's all right or whatever, (and anyways every Christian usually have some differing beliefs) but despite, whatever you were "taught" about Christianity, seems to be pretty off. Kinda ironic to tell Gehenna he's being ironic and pathetic, but you yourself don't even know/understand some Christian principles. Granted, no one should really should really expect non-believers to understand all that we believe, as you don't, as that's why we are hear to clarify them.

    God created the Earth, man, animals, everything perfectly. The second Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil, sin entered the world. This caused everything NOT to be perfect. (this is why Adam and Eve put leaves on them because they realized they were naked after they ate of the tree) God did not fail.
     
  8. Epicfurno

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    He said that lying is same as murder. And one of the 10 commandments says you cannot murder. And saying all muslims hate christians and jewish people is just wrong :v. You can't say a whole group thinks the same way. Just as there are many branches of christianity there are many of islam. And if everything was created good than how did evil come to be? Ideas are effected by what is experienced by the mind. If there was no evil than evil never would exist. And This story itself is an abomination. It rejects the truth of evolution and scientific evidence. It is more or less a story that ancient people used to try to explain how they came to be. And the christian god and islamic god are the same. The two religions split off from one another yet both believed in the same god. Putting a singular label on a group is not even right. No 2 people have the same thoughts. Islam goes back long and its ideas like christian ideas get distorted over time. Every text will eventually get changed or edited or told differently. Its just how things work.

    I do know Christian principles. I used to be christian. I still go to church every Sunday. I don't fully believe it yet I still know the religion. And nothing can be perfect. The story of Adam and Eve shows that. If god let the possibility of evil happen then yes, he did fail.If he did not fail he intended evil to happen.
     
  9. 19Cameron91

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    I debunked that paradox. You just seemed to not have bothered to read what I said. I said God can create a boulder that He can and can't lift at the same time. Doesn't make sense? Not to us, but God can make sense of it. The unbelieving just think God isn't as powerful, because they are feeble minded. All of us are. Our abilities and our intelligence combined is a grain of sand compared to God.
    We are so blinded by sin that a lot us think God is the enemy, but maybe we should look in the mirror. Often at times, we are our own enemy. Also...
    "Satan, the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." - 2 Corinthians 4:4

    God did not fail. Adam and Eve failed. They believed Satan's lies, and the rest is history.
    Good is following what God has issued in the Bible. Bad is disregarding it.
    The Bible was written by God through a number of men throughout history. If any of these men would have been dishonest in the writings, God would not have chosen them.
     
  10. Epicfurno

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    One cannot lift and not lift something. And you admit to being feeble minded. So how would any of us know of this god? And what created Satan? Didn't god create all? If so than he created Satan yet Satan is evil. Therefore my point still stands. God in not all powerful, he is not all good or loving, and did not create all good. And if I lived 3000 years ago and said that there was a being that could create fire from their *sshole they would maybe believe it.

    And as you stated earlier god works through people. Yet doesn't that mean god controls us? That means we are being manipulated. And god isn't all loving. What god is is a mass murderer. A killer of thousands. If god loves all then why kill the Egyptians in the story or Moses. Aren't we all gods people? I only see contradictory words in the Bible. It is nonsensical text of a less advanced age. Going by it as a guide to life is simply preposterous. I think you should drop this debate on religion as there is no one here who will change their mind. This is the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome. And why did you think it was smart to debate religion on a minecraft forum. This fact alone shows you not smart in any way.

    It wasn't a problem then. If Jesus never spoke of it than that must mean that it was insignificant and needed no change. It is simply the way the human mind may work. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. I see nothing wrong with it. Please enlighten me on the subject.
     
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    thats made up bro. u cant just say god can make a boulder that he can and cant lift... and quoting the bible aint gonna prove anything
     
  12. Epicfurno

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    According to your logic if you kill 100 people you re not a killer because your actions don't make you what you are. So you see why people think you are of low grade intelligence? And the term "good" is opinion. Opinions are not facts. So please, learn more. And doesn't god love us either way? Isn't god all loving? If so the. Why send us all to hell. And you never think things through.
     
  13. 19Cameron91

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    God created Satan along with the other angels. Angels have free will like us, but they seem to be more in control of their will than us. Satan gathered up followers and decided to rebel against God, and God threw him and the other rebellious angels out of Heaven to Earth.
    Satan use to be know as Lucifer, and the defiant angels are known as demons. There's kind of a Lord Voldemort/Tom Riddle thing going on here.

    More like we listen to His commands. That doesn't mean we're His puppets. We could choose to go astray at anytime.

    Those that have been killed by the power of God have had numerous chances to turn away from the dark and look towards the light. God could have and should have killed them the first time they ever sinned, but He didn't. God is a God of chances.
    I think the story of Moses and the Israelites escaping the Egyptians is one you could really sympathize with. Apparently you don't. They were slaves escaping their oppressive holders. They crossed the Red Sea, which God had parted. The Egyptian army was drowned when God allowed the water to recede so that they will not chase the Israelites anymore.

    Hey, I'd like to end this just as much you guys. It's just that people keep asking me questions, and I think it's rude to not respond. No, this is not Einstein's definition of insanity. We have convinced all kinds of nonbelievers throughout history, even ardent atheists. Even if I never post here again, I'll never give up bringing the lost to salvation.

    You shouldn't hate someone because of their actions and behavior.
    God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves to Hell. God's gift of eternal life in Heaven is that, a gift. It's right in front of us, but many of us reject it.
     
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    People have opinions, deal with it
     
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    we don't send our selves to hell. We wouldn't chose that. and BTW Satan is evil right? Then they must have been a failed creation by god. Who turned Satan evil? The only answer is God. Either God failed or created evil.

    If god sees all as equal than slave or not they are equal. You see how you make no sense? This is why religion gets argued about. And if we are commanded then if we don't comply that is a sin. Therefore you are a puppet :v. If someone killed everyone you loved and know would you hate them? no? What if they suffered horribly and endured intense physical snd psychological trauma? I would hate the one who did that. Anyone would. Actions build who you are. You cannot deny this. If You kill many you are a killer. If you lie all the time you are a liar. Actions make two we are. Even a 3 year old can see this.
     
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    You may not believe in Hell, but there is prison here in the world. People know there is prison, but many commit crimes despite knowing they will go to prison. They send themselves to prison through their actions. Yes, the judge is the one who actually sentences the people to prison, but if they didn't commit the crime in the first place, they wouldn't be going to prison. It's completely their fault. Through their actions, they are going to prison. Understand?

    Are we puppets of the government because we obey the law, and if we don't, we go to prison?
    There is a fine line between who you are and what you do. Your actions do not define your being. If I'm a hater, does that make me hate itself? No. God wants to separate us from sin. Sin does not make us who we are. This rhetoric is similar to the drug user who's injecting themself saying, "It's who I am!" Sin is a drug, a poison.
     
  17. Epicfurno

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    I you are a hater then you hate things. And are you saying heroine is sin? Where in the Bible is heroin talked about lmao. I'm not saying it's good but your examples have many things wrong.
     
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    Getting high on heroin is on par with getting drunk, which of course is a sin. Heroin also destroys you body.
     
  19. Epicfurno

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    You wanna know what else destroys your body? Living. Want proof? Look up literally every heart attack, stroke, cancer, etc..
     
  20. SillyPickles

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    the first part of what u said is really just an opinion :stuck_out_tongue: in the end, we all share the same fate don't we? but you can go ahead and judge people all you want
     
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