To Atheists...

I love the way that when gehenna leaves the thread dies

 

inb4 locked for gravedigging

 

1 month and 1 day

 

Hey, ho, this thread still exists!
Tell me why faith in itself is the only way to being "saved"? What you believe in could be potentially not true!

 

So are you saying that if you are about to get murdered faith will cause you not to die? @gehhena_beam

 

I love you gehanna lol

 

The thing I have against Christianity (and all religions for that sake) is that they delve into the theory that perfection exists. Which I don't believe in.
The other things I don't get is that:
If God is perfect, why are the religions so flawed?
If God's words are the true perfect morality, why have a million different Gods existed?
If God is all-knowing, then he will know the future, which takes away all free will that we have. If we don't have free will, why then even believe in God?
If you believe in evolution, and you also believe that humans are God's children, when did he start caring?
If God really did show himself to the prophets, then why did he stopped caring? He hasn't shown himself to anyone in the past 2000 years, and before that, he showed himself a lot.
Why is the Bible so flawed, yet the closest thing we have of God's mind and words? Is he trying to mislead us?

I could quite literally go on *forever*. But I won't.
The reason why the religions we have today still exists is because we are indoctrinating our children into it. Many people will never become critical of what they parents told them, if they had good parenting. How many more lives must be taken in the name of a false God, before people stop being religious?

 

1. Well, I could use the same argument as you said for other religions. The ideology of God and Christianity was also based from Bible, which was made by humans. Isn't there a reasonable doubt that the ideology could be false? Saying " The bible is part of God's law" doesn't prove that it is God's law. The bible was mostly likely handcrafted and written by humans.

2.
"If you believe in evolution, and you also believe that humans are God's children, when did he start caring?
You just exposed the flaw of "Christian Evolution". It doesn't make sense for Christians to believe in evolution. When did we start becoming significant? As far as one can see, we were just mere animals millions of years ago, according to evolution."

But there is credible evidence that we did descend and evolve from animals. Genes mutate, creating a new function for an organism. The argument "Survival of the fittest" applies because those with "superior" genes (genes that are appropriate for an environment) live on and those without die off. While it doesn't sound that simple to you, it is one of the most well-accepted theories that make decent sense.

A common misunderstanding I hear is:
"How am i expected to believe that we became humans for apes? How come I don't see monkeys in zoo cages turn into humans!!!? That's not believable!!!! Evolution is false!!"

Of course it's not believable. No one said that you " Popped into existence from apes".It's just from the fact that you didn't bother to read something into detail. It's called natural selection, and it develops over time.

3.
Why is the Bible so flawed, yet the closest thing we have of God's mind and words? Is he trying to mislead us?
What's so flawed about it? It's only as flawed as you think it is.

What do you mean "What's so flawed about it?" ? Of course the bible looks flawed. It was created by humans roughly 2000+ years ago, when they were armed with less knowledge than us!

 

preach

he sounds like a disney cartoon/marvel villain

CUT OFF ONE HEAD AND TWO MORE SHALL TAKE ITS PLACE

HEIL GEHENNA

 

If it is proven false in the future, then you have made a paradox yourself, we are evolving into smarter beings.

 

There's a difference between an argument that isn't well-grounded by evidence. Let's say I made a statement -
"I believe the our world is flat."
As you know, this statement is wrong. Why? Because we actually have people that journeyed to outer space to take photos, data, whatnot.
I reckon in 2000 years to the future, the world might still be round (as long nothing catastrophic happens). What i'm trying to say is that a scientific concept can be proven at pretty almost any given stage of time, because it is grounded by evidence.

Of course our idea of evolution might change within the future, but it doesn't mean it's going to be really flawed- given the facts/ evidence we have.

Now I ask- where is the evidence that makes this argument "God exists" credible enough?
You stated that God cannot be measured by data or any physical concept. Doesn't it show that there is a reasonable doubt that he might just not exist?