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  1. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Honestly, I think the fundamental issue with any traditional appeals system is it's impossible for it to co-exist with a staff team who make accurate bans.

    As of late we've became much more careful with ghost client bans. Staff are not allowed to ban players without bringing it through mod chat anymore, so any evidence gathered is watched by myself and the other staff members we have who are good at detecting ghost client hacks.

    In the past I had exactly the same view as you do: we used to make a lot of false bans on ghost clients. Now that it must go through mod chat and people who are good at detecting ghost clients always watch the evidence and influence the decision, I haven't seen any false bans. This system has only been in place for a month so time will tell if we still need to make improvements.

    As for how this is relevant to the appeals system: since we're careful when we ban for ghost clients now, we usually consider every aspect. I cannot remember a time that I showed someone evidence of their ban and they brought up an explanation that I hadn't already considered before I even made the ban. As a result, when someone tries to explain their ban evidence it's a lot of "we already considered that explanation, that's not enough".

    I said "traditional" appeals system specifically though. I am in the process of dreaming up a new appeals system inspired by how law enforcement works IRL (god I take this too seriously) which will hopefully let players prove themselves legit before they're even banned, but I have no idea if this will actually work or not.
     
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  2. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    Screenshare before banning
     
  3. Ice_Bear1

    Ice_Bear1 Well-Known Member

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    Ice Bear thinks that banned players should be able to see the proof of their ban otherwise it would be impossible for them to defend themselves. Ice Bear says that harrassment of the pe
    Ice Bear says what if the other player can't screenshare also this is a breach of privacy.
     
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  4. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    Don't you ****ing dare throw the argument of "morality" around when people are getting banned without being able to see any evidence.
     
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  5. Ice_Bear1

    Ice_Bear1 Well-Known Member

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    Ice Bear says they see evidence after they get banned not before just because they are suspected. A screen share won't solve the problems of a false ban either because it is a my word versus your word thing. Ice bear says the only way to defend is to look at the cold hard evidcence and dispute it from there.
     
  6. AnimeLoverVerlyn

    AnimeLoverVerlyn Well-Known Member

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    no, if you look on their screen and see that they're running a client, you'll ban them. if not, then you let them go. there's literally no way to dispute it
     
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  7. Ice_Bear1

    Ice_Bear1 Well-Known Member

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    Ice bear says that what if the hacker just uninstalls the hacks or moves the hacked files to somewhere the staff doesn't check. Also some hacked clients don't have a popup menu. Ice Bear asks what if they turn off their hacks a before a screen share. Ice Bear says too many factors and browsing through the files would take staff quite a bit of training.
     
  8. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    yeah, you're right. the real words much worse. tbh when I said humiliate it was more or less meant as in i was going to prove how wrongful the ban was but then again i forgot how my past was on here lol

    you run a minecraft server that gets 100+ players, you should have proper training in order to deal with cheaters. Cheats advance and so should the staff members but yet again as i've stated several times, majority of brawl's staff team lacks iq points. Which is why compared to a lot of these HCF servers, brawl is nowhere near as "successful"

    thing is, my ban which was for modified KB can be very controversial considering there are so many factors that affect KB and also the fact that half of the server has the same exact KB as me which shows it as a biased ban if anything. Some players being, PingWoo/WhySneak/JayOG/Jeaton.
     
  9. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    PingWoo was banned for using an autoclicker in his videos (he's unbanned because he wasn't using one haha), but eh, considering how many anti-KB techniques there are (especially in 1.8 Soup PvP), I think reliable anti-KB bans are extremely difficult. What you honestly need is a screenshare protocol, but let's face it, that isn't going to happen.
     
  10. EmperorTrump45

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    Or just an honest mistake. If someone really wanted to see you gone they'd ban you for being consistently toxic, instead of "making up" a reason and banning you for KB modifiers
     
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  11. 19kss

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    @Xion if you get falsebanned staff wont show proof in fear of being demoted. simple asf.
     
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  12. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    No rule allows any mod to ban me for constant toxicity till i have built up a certain amount of mutes in a certain amount of time

    i'm usually able to break down any proof given to me and most of the staff team are too "slow" to counter it so i'll go with that being the reason i'm not given any proof and not them being terrified over minecraft words :^)
     
  13. Jeaton

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    u wanna argue about something being broken? how about the report section. we should debate about how you didn't get banned sooner, not why you ARE banned.

    but lol want the proof here u go




    ur using reach too so idgaf about ur knockback breakdown

    brawl isnt the only server that doesnt welcome you. you're banned on everything for the same reason. been trying to get u banned since day 1

    u got caught by gcheat so whatever you have is low qual lmao u dont fool anyone

    humiliate me bro!!! tell me how **** i am!!! please tell me how you know the game mechanics better than everyone on the server!!! please tell me ur magically ten times better than everyone including someone who has been #1 on almost every server when you barely play any servers due to you not being able to join them!!! not to mention all you do is play the gun servers all day haha idk where the practice came from. and if you're ten times better than me then you must be ten times better than all the famous pot players ive stomped on, crazy how you arent famous yourself! couldnt be all the cheating bans that are tied to your name that are hindering the validity of your performance! and you literally have videos of yourself cheating on brawl, idc how blatant you were, why should anyone believe you. your donor rank doesnt make you smart or reliable
     
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  14. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    You might want to rewatch some of the suspicious segments in that. He does take little knockback, but
    a) there are dozens of techniques to reduce KB in such a way, and while it's hard to tell exactly which strat he's using, I'm hopeful in saying that he wouldn't be this blatant if he were cheating.
    b) considering that this evidence is coming from someone who has been banned repeatedly for rather similar evidence I'm not too convinced at just how legitimate this is as a source.
    c) this is Brawl. If everyone was banned for the few times that they give hits like Xion did in Video 2 (Vid 1 isn't working for me, if there's blatant stuff there then I'll admit to being wrong but I can't watch it for some reason) then half the staff team would be out of here. I don't see anything too consistent here that would warrant a fool-proof ban.
    That being said, Xion certainly used to mess around with clients, let's be honest, and he is a friend, which does make me a tad biased. If I can get the first video to load I'm open to a change of opinion. Personally quite a few players and staff members have gotten hits like that (I have in the past when I was really warmed up, but I'd be the last person to use any sort of cheat or anything like that), but that doesn't warrant a ban if they happen here and there.
     
  15. Jeaton

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    yea youre right, your entire post was a load of bias and useless information that ive already come to know way better than you years ago
     
  16. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    At least I see my mistakes and faults, and don't immediately insult others whenever they have a slightly differing opinion (although I have done so). I can't watch the first video no matter which device I use, so if there is something palpable in it then I can't really do anything about it. There is no need to be rude or obnoxious at me just because I disagree, and please do keep your PotPvP-style behaviour at a minimum.
    You also didn't read my post, because I did make issues in my views clear, so I suggest re-reading it.
     
  17. Jeaton

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    i read your post and if we both agree it was full of mistakes then its clearly unneeded and useless as i said so i see no point for it. i also do not understand what place you have in this thread since it does not involve you in any way and youre only contributing to the confusion that the staff struggle with by putting your, once again, unneeded and useless bias into the mix
     
  18. Xion

    Xion Well-Known Cheater

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    pretty sure atm badlion's the only pot server i'm banned on and considering the date of my ban was 2+ years ago lol. You trade out most hits with my and the kb battle seemed fair in the second video considering yet again, you were still trading out hits with me so we'll go with you cheat too then? you seem pretty sweaty tho ngl, kinda turns me on cutie

    there's many videos of me using cheats, i've even made videos w me using cheats and have admitted several times but regardless neither of the videos he's provided prove myself to be cheating and if my low kb/from time to time high reach considers me to be a cheater, then half the server's cheating.
     
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  19. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I'm trying not to laugh at this
     
  20. Jeaton

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    99% of the server are ragdolls? the other 1% (maybe less) are trade worthy. now you sit here and try to degrade yourself as if you didnt just smack me accross the map. lol. see when i was in your shoes i didnt degrade myself. i told people they just didnt know what cheats were, cuz they didnt. and then i gave undeniable proof that i was legit. thats the difference between you and i, and why i got unbanned in 2 minutes and you havent gotten unbanned in a week. you have a silly argument and youre behaving in the way that ive seen and experienced every cheater behave in the last 5 years.

    and the funny part is after degrading yourself, your little friend comes along trying to make you out to be a skilled player, saying there are ways to decrease kb as if i didnt already know that. your defenses are clashing and you look like a joke

    disappointed that i have a reply with no worthy debate to throw out the window
     
  21. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    you're feeding the fire for absolutely no reason
     
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