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#FreeDoges

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by Knaber, May 3, 2018.

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Free Doges?

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  2. No

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  1. Knaber

    Knaber Well-Known Member

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    Doges posted this pic (see below) on discord a while ago, now he's banned for "Illegal Modification: Entity Minimap".
    Although Mini-maps with entities (players or mobs) or caves are forbidden, only modifications that give an unfair advantage are forbidden. And since you can't really gain any unfair advantage on build this shouldn't be an issue, despite, you can't extrapolate him using the mini-map here and say for sure he has used it on any non-build servers (where it would give him an unfair advantage) since no evidence of this has ever been provided. And no, you can't extrapolate people using a modification on one server to all others, then you might as well start banning people who were caught cheating/using certain modifications on other (non-brawl) servers.


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  2. Caelon

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    Free Doges, that guy is a legend
     
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  3. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    Whether or not the minimap gives an unfair advantage on build isn't the point. Derp hacks don't give any advantage but they're ban worthy anyway.

    Banning off of a screenshot isn't sufficient. Sure Doges posted it but why would he try to get himself banned like that? And it's dumb to infer that Doges was deliberately cheating (assuming he was) when 1) he had no reason to, 2) worked hard to improve build for almost 2 years, and 3) would have used a much more damaging hack than minimap if he wanted to grief someone's build/ go out in a blaze of glory (tac42)

    Free Doges
     
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  4. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    Doges just had it because he likes to play survival and didn't bother to turn it off ;(
     
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  5. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Rules are rules, all there really is to say.
     
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  6. 13kss

    13kss Well-Known Member

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    Meanwhile I was bhopping and killauring on build... Several staffmembers said that it was fine to use hacks on build. There are some players, like me, who use speed(fly) to fly faster. There are people who use an autoclicker to build faster. And then there is me who just wants to destroy @PoixMine in a build 1v1 (which I can't cause he uses resistance 100585)

    Free doges. Your admins saw me bhop and didn't ban me. They said that it was fine as long as he map is private and you stop when people ask you to.

    Free doges
     
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  7. Knaber

    Knaber Well-Known Member

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    Same
     
  8. Charlie_0014

    Charlie_0014 Build & BT Overlord, Party Sub-Overlord

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    After reading, all I can say is that photo is nice, but dark.
     
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  9. rmure

    rmure Well-Known Member

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    Just because it's a rule doesn't mean it's logical
     
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  10. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    the irony of this statement is overpowering
     
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  11. FlagRecovered

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    Then there should be a change to the rules.

    He knows the rules, considering he was even a mod himself, he knew the consequences if he was eventually caught.
     
  12. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    Yup, he said he didn't really care about the ban ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  13. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    And yet you contested the rules and/or the person who judged and banned you whenever you were false-banned
     
  14. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    "false"
     
  15. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    for which you were demoted, denied on your subsequent application ("very unfair demotion","the demotion was such bullsh*t" etc.), and had to spend a lot of time proving yourself legit

    if roke, putty, or any of the other higher ups had the same "rules are rules" attitude you do here then you wouldn't be unbanned and you certainly wouldn't be staff right now
     
  16. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this site, period. especially coming from you.

    brawl staff find a way to blow my mind every day. they don't have the time to investigate a report for xray, no willingness to screenshare or to fix this server in any way possible, but yet they still find the time to ban a former staff member (a quite good one at that) for using a minimap on a minecraft creative server.

    person who banned him obviously was very bored and wanted to use his power for something, even if it was stupid as sh*t. i had to deal with that all the time when I was staff, it was a thing then and it is obviously still a thing now. when people get staff they want to use their newfound power at any moment they see the chance to do so. this results in a ton of false bans and a lot of stupid ones at that. I can name quite a few people that do/have done this but im quite tired of calling people out because the higher ups obviously don't give a f*ck anymore

    just unban the dude smdh
     
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  17. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    IMG_1262.PNG It may not provide an advantage on build, however who is to say the only login with Mini-Map was on build? In the rules it doesn't state any specific server(s) this rule applies to, meaning it applies across the entirity of brawl itself.

    The fact Doges was a good past staff member doesn't exclude him from punishment from a rule that is currently inforced, If it did it'd give more to complain about with "unfairness" towards players.

    Don't get me wrong, I completely agree Mini-Map with entities or caves doesn't give an advantage on a build server but considering the rules are currently set a set "No Mini-Map with entites" it should have been clear it would cause a ban. Maybe it is time to "change the rules" but expecting nothing from a clearly stated rule when breaking it when it's currently inforced is yet again another thing widely complained about.
     
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  18. rmure

    rmure Well-Known Member

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    While there's no evidence of him using it outside of build
     
  19. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    And as I said, the rules currently disallow it on the entirity of brawl which includes build.
     
  20. rmure

    rmure Well-Known Member

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    There's no advantage it can provide on build, and there's no evidence of him using it on a gamemode other than build. Stop being a slave to some dumb "well its not allowed XD" rule and ask yourself if the ban was really reasonable
     
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