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Reduce the X-ray ban?

Discussion in 'Raid' started by Ry23an, Apr 22, 2018.

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Reduce the X-ray punishment

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  1. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    I am not suggesting that xraying is OK or should be considered not a big deal but I would like to see a less harsh punishment for xraying (for first time offenders) as it is so common.

    Currently there is no item wipe for players who X-ray or balance reduction (so I hear because I have never been banned for X-ray :stuck_out_tongue:). The player is just perm banned and the base they X-ray is rolled back.

    My suggestion is item wipes on the players balance and bases for items of ill-gotten gains for all offenders. 28 day kicks for first time offenders. And perm bans for second time offenders.
    Basically the standard procedure for hfc servers.

    A lot of noobs X-ray without fully understanding the risk and get perm banned never to be seen again. I would rather see them get a second chance after they get a fair and not to harsh punishment.
     
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  2. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    From my experience moderating, there are very few players who stop xraying entirely after you unban them / use another account. Xraying follows the same principles of hacking, and I don't think this would be a good approach for player retention. If they hack, they should get banned, it shouldn't matter if it is commonly done.
     
  3. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    Their items don't get wiped which doesn't help deter them from xraying.
    I forget the ign of the player but this map someone xrayed like 6k gold and TBH 10$ (the unban cost) for 6k gold is pretty cheap

    What do you mean 'after you unban them'?
    From appeals or purchased unbans?
     
  4. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Yes that is what I meant.

    I do agree that they shouldn't keep what they have xrayed, but its hard in some cases because if you kill them and the ban turns out to be false it causes issues. However, if things are obvious enough I don't see this as an issue personally.
     
  5. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    Imo xraying is pretty different pvp hacks, a lot of players X-ray to get set up as grinding is boring and X-raying just speeds it up and then after stop and play as normal ( @Sikun )
     
  6. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    It doesn't matter if Xray is common. Hackers aren't wanted on the server, there's no point in reducing the punishment in my opinion.
     
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  7. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    It was more of a change to the current punishment system and second chance for noobs I was hoping for...
    Oracle said the current punishment system has a lot of repeat offenders for players who do get unbanned... Any suggestions to reduce this? Or feedback on wiping their loot?
     
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  8. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    People are just too insecure to even admit to hacking after they're banned. Most people do it either because they're bored of Minecraft and have nothing better to do (and don't care about ruining other people's enjoyment) or are insecure and cheat to give themselves a sense of accomplishment for once, and neither of these types of hackers will stop anytime soon.

    I've probably banned upwards of 50 people for using a ghost client and much more than that for using xray and I can only recall 4 people who have ever admitted and stopped. One of which didn't even admit to staff members, they just admitted to a few friends.

    The only way we'll stop repeat offenders is by not letting them back on the server after they break the rules once. I'd be all for that personally, but even increasing the amount of time we wait before unbanning people would help a lot.

    I definitely think this should happen. Unless there's something I'm missing, I don't know why we're not doing this already to be honest. I'll bring it up in staff chat.
     
  9. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Eh, no. Personally the small amount of returners isn‘t worth the hassle of people who promise to stop and then X-Ray immediately.
     
  10. SaltWood

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  11. AnonymousGalaxy

    AnonymousGalaxy Raid Manager | Manager of Managing | Legacy

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    Using X-ray is having an unfair advantage, illegal modification, and possibly even an hacked client. I don’t think the time should be decreased, if a player wants to continue playing and will stop hacking then they are free to appeal and will (most likely) be unbanned. Items aren’t destroyed because there’s a potential of false bans, players buying unbans to come back to nothing (even the stuff they gained legitimately), and other issues that could potentially arise given the right circumstances.
     
  12. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Why the punishment should not be lowered has been discussed above, but here is why we do not remove their items:
    • We could theoretically remove everything they did in the last months, but that would likely lag out the server, not work on items / resources they shared with other players and destroy everything they built (Imagine your team mate xrayed and suddenly half your base is gone and you suffocate in a wall).
    • The ban could be false or they could buy an unban - un-doing a rollback is even harder.
    • We can not quantify how much of their resources were gained through x-ray - a long-time player who only started x-raying would lose everything, including the legit items. Alright, it is their own fault, but still quite harsh.
    Resetting their balance is somewhat viable, but we would still have to save their pre-ban balance in case of a false ban/purchased unban and it is easy to evade by spending the balance or withdrawing the gold.
     
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  13. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    I would xray thne lol
     
  14. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    What would be the benefit?
     
  15. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    I would get the gold/Ores, and loot and i would only get banned like 1 month lol
     
  16. PvpSlayer

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    Agreed
     
  17. Ry23an

    Ry23an Orchard Thief

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    It would be wiped with my suggestion If you were able to read it
     
  18. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    What? Im retarded.
     
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  19. JordanZ_PvP

    JordanZ_PvP Member

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    Yes, I agree because I got banned for Xray And than IP-Banned.. I've appealed 5 times saying I am sorry and I play legit now (Which I do) Brawl is way to strict.. :/ I agree
     
  20. ActuallyMe

    ActuallyMe Banned

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    That’s what makes the server dead, banning people.
     
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