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  1. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Ok so one of my accounts (DoubleClicker) was banned a few days ago for "reach" from these two videos here:



    I appealed this ban with the videos of my POV of the fights which clearly show I don't have any sort of reach whatsoever and that to me they look laggier on my own screen either from my own lag or their own lag.

    in this video you can see I wasn't using any reach he was in range the entire time for me.








    https://youtu.be/vUuaRizeLiQ
    https://youtu.be/YNru2sBm4yA
    These are all the clips from every fight in the video carno recorded, again on my own screen they appear in range.

    "Appeal has been denied! It is not possible to get hits from the distance you get without substantial lag involved. Stop trying to get away with hacking, it is not going to work anymore." - This is the response I got on my appeal and I'm fairly certain this is bias due to Tom being the one that banned me, yes I did bad stuff to him, yes I tried to make things better in PMs, but no he still hasn't forgiven me which is understandable however when you're a Mod and you're being completely biased about the ban even though I am clearly not using reach in any of my videos that is just ridiculously stupid.

    The explanation for Toms video: It's pretty simple if you've ever even played Minecraft competitively that you have to account for your connection, the servers TPS speed and the other players connection when fighting. My Ping is usually around 83ms but can spike to 150 and sometimes 300 at random points for up to 2-3 seconds (no idea why). Toms ping is around 130-150ms if I were to guess which is already a pretty large delay to take into place between each other and the server host as my packets have to go to the server and then back to him in order to register a hit. The CTF server TPS is normally around 95-97/100% TPS when playing which is 19TPS-19.4TPS-20TPS (TPS = Ticks Per Second).
    This is going to cause some difference in how you appear to see me on your screen for example on my screen I move forward for 1 second for you I'm going to always be about 0.213 seconds further back which can be 2-3 blocks added to the already existing Minecraft reach of 3.0 blocks at a stand still.

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    In this screenshot, you can see that the stone slab next to the tree is 1 block but the blocks look more extended and further away because of his FOV appearing to give an appearance of reach and because he was already moving backward from a previous hit he will be slightly closer on my screen by 1-2-3 blocks which causes him to see me appearing further away than I actually am on my screen.

    Carno's video: All of the above except FOV does apply for Carno's video however, I am sure he has accused me of aim assist in same parts of the videos too and of course my video doesn't prove I don't have aim assist because it can be easily hidden but a quick explanation for some of the parts where I turn to hit things behind me is; When you get hit from behind while also being hit from the front you're going to take knock back in both directions causing you to go upwards more or further to one direction than another, in one clip I am fighting someone and Tom hits me from behind, I then turn straight onto Tom while he was behind me without f5'ing because of the direction the KB sent me in I could tell someone was there.

    I know this is a "lost appeal" type thing but I feel it should be put here because this is ridiculously stupid to still be banned for when you cannot "PROVE" I have reach in those videos, it genuinely feels like I'm being kept banned because you just purely don't like me, I've been banned like 50 times on this server and every single time I've been unbanned even the last ban I had on DoubleClicker was fair yes I was faking but still utter bs to be told I had to admit to hacking even though I wasn't? I'm sure you can understand why I'm getting frustrated and annoyed to deal with this type of stuff all the time...

    Thanks anyways lmao.

    Unban me because you've made a false ban again...
     

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  2. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    This is going to turn into another one of those threads...
    IMO the evidence is pretty blatant and please don‘t ever accuse Tom or Carno of being biased again. Neither of them are in any way unfair or biased when it comes to bans (especially since all GC bans have to go through staff chat) and they are both extremely experienced when it comes to cheats.
     
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  3. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    yup ok, dish cloth
     
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  4. Daveeeeeeeee

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    Shut up genuinely how do u know they aren't biased. I don't even like James but I've heard a lot about Tom apparently being biased, you are being biased right now saying "neither of them are unfair or biased" just because you are friends with them and want mod.
     
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    The videos were looked at in staff chat and everyone agreed on a ban, don't put this on me and Tom only. Also this:
    You hit me right there and have no proof against it.[​IMG]
     
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  7. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    And how would you - hell, how would any community member know if I'm biased?

    Can people who think this actually talk to me for a change? People think I'm biased but give me absolutely no reasoning why they think I'm biased. I've had people complain about me apparently being biased behind my back so many times, but no-one has talked to me about it and explained why. I could clear up a lot of stuff if people actually talked to me and tried to sort out their problems with me, rather than just whining about it so they feel a little better about themselves.

    Until people actually tell me what problems they have with me, I'm not going to take them seriously. It's as simple as that.

    I don't think there's any confusion here, it's obvious to anyone who knows us that we hate each other. For the half-a-decade I've known you, you've constantly done things which, in my opinion, are a good enough reason for me to dislike you. What you recently did (i.e, harassed me for about a month whenever I was online, attempted to manipulate me (which you admitted to), spread rumours about one of the lowest points in my life) was the last thing you needed to do for me to be sure I probably can't ever trust or forgive you because you constantly break this trust and forgiveness.

    However, that doesn't mean you can claim I'm bias whenever you're punished by me for breaking the rules. I am aware unconscious bias is a thing and after a couple of instances on Brawl where staff have been bias (either willingly or unwillingly), I always take extra effort to ensure this isn't a factor in any of my bans. Every ban on a ghost client hacker that I make is posted in Mod chat, for all staff members to review. After a couple of days, I take their opinions into consideration before deciding whether or not to make the ban. If 1-2 staff don't think it's hacks, then even if I do think it's hacking, I will get more evidence before banning them. When it's people who I obviously dislike, such as you or Nakatago, I try to make sure any contributing staff unanimously agree with me before I make a ban.

    In this ban, I posted the evidence in Mod chat like I always do and another staff member tagged every Moderator we have. There has been absolutely no disagreement that you were hacking, both before and after you were banned. I could have told Carno "Hey, you can deal with this ban" and you still would have been banned for hacking.

    As well as this, before you did this "bad stuff", I have banned you about 7 times. 2 times I remember them being false, 1 time I remember it being correct, and the rest I cannot remember in enough detail. Surely, if I'm only banning you because I'm biased after you did this "bad stuff" to me, I wouldn't have banned you so many times in the past?

    No, I get about 80ms.

    The sprint speed in Minecraft is about 5 blocks per second. With a combined ping of 200ms, or 1/5 of a second (an over-estimate), you'd appear about 1 block behind where you actually are. You got several 5, 6 and an 8 block hit on me according to my POV, and your own POV can only disprove aim-related hacks (such as aim assist, safe aura and in some cases, triggerbot) because misplace is a thing. (For people who don't know - misplace is a hack which changes the location of players you are hitting and, in some clients, your own location, on your POV. You can use this with other hacks to make it look like from your POV, you are legit. Misplace is a feature in the vast majority of ghost clients).

    I've used max FOV since late 2012, when I first started taking PvP more seriously. There were rumours back then that using max FOV would increase your reach (which is completely false, it just appears to).

    With a high FOV, blocks in your peripheral vision (such as the slabs in the bottom left corner which you pointed out) appear to be stretched out horizontally to you, and this effect is reduced the further away blocks are from you. To completely eliminate the FOV as a factor from this ban, go in-game on the map we were on (Aquafus V - ID is 381337) and count the blocks for yourself. In the screenshot in your thread, you can see I was standing at edge of where the slabs on the tree ends, and you were standing on slabs near the wall behind you.

    [​IMG]

    Use whatever FOV you like - that's a 5/6 block hit. The amusing bit about this hit is that the 5/6 block hit conclusion doesn't even take ping into account. If you slow down the video you'll see that you were actually travelling backwards, therefore you appear about a block in front of where you actually were. So it's a 6/7 block hit. Also by slowing down the video, you can see that I had very, very little momentum, so it is not a factor which would change the fact that this hit was about double the legitimate hit distance.

    I can illustrate and explain in detail my thought process on every single hit displayed in my video if you want me to.
     
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  8. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Really? You really think either of us or Carno would just ignore your evidence?
    And is it worth anything? You‘ve made it clear that you don‘t trust most PoVs thanks to Misplace
     
  9. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Because this thread has resorted to flame and personal insults (in posts that have been removed), I'm locking this.

    If anyone would like to see what the deleted posts are and what these personal insults are, please PM me and I will share them with you. I am not trying to cover anything up by removing them.

    And, if anyone wants me to go over the evidence and explain my thought process again, I will do that. I'll do that with any ban I've made.
     
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