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Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by WarSkater, Dec 26, 2018.

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ban reset. good or bad idea?

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  1. WarSkater

    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    do a ban reset

    people who were permanently banned before the reset should have one chance to not get banned again, or else perm ban again.

    see if there's a chance to get another active mod

    with the current warz player base, i really don't see any issues with this.

    this idea could do nothing, but it really can't hurt to do it

    banned players get another chance to play the game. could bring interest back into the game for some people, and if they only have one chance, why blow it?

    honestly, i can't spot one negative from doing this, and in reality, it could bring more revenue to brawl if it goes smoothly

    just an idea

    thoughts?
     
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  2. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    u cant spot a negative thing cause there is none
     
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  3. WarSkater

    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    vote dad
     
  4. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    What players didn't see during the ban wipe is the sheer amount of hackers that were banned. I banned 450 hackers in the first week of the ban wipe and was spending 12+ hours a day doing this. About half that time, I was the only staff member online, simply because we don't have a big enough staff team. I won't be spending 12 hours a day moderating if we do another ban wipe, so many of those 450 hackers will be going around for a couple of days unpunished.

    Almost every permbanned player can get unbanned by going 6 months without breaking the rules. Considering they've already been given at least 3 chances, we're under absolutely no obligation to give them another chance. There are a very small amount of exceptions.

    Anyone who deserves an unban already has the opportunity to be unbanned by appealing. This ban wipe would only give an opportunity to people who don't deserve to be unbanned, which makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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    good
     
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  6. iamdroone

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    good, then people would actually start to play again (if they still have interest), and it's also been a while since the ban reset.
     
  7. WarSkater

    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    From personal experience recently, a lot of banned players play because they enjoy the gamemode. Also from my experience, I've quit for a couple months, and I've came back because I wanted to come back and enjoy the game.

    Triple / Jack keeps playing because he thoroughly enjoys the game. And from more personal experience, I've been in a call with him playing and he has screenshared him not cheating, and he still got banned for cheating ((aimbotting with a can apparently). People keep playing the game because they enjoy it and have fun on it. If they get banned within 12 hours of playing, it'll steer them away from a server. People don't want to wait 6 months because they're trying to have fun. There's a staff application that has been sitting up for almost a month, and hasn't gotten any staff responses or criticism in 15 days. There's a staff application from November 25th that hasn't received any staff criticism in 20 days. I understand that there's other priorities, but if there's not enough staff members to watch for banned players, obviously they'll get away for days without being banned.

    If there's a ban reset, ban the players that continue cheating. I'd guarantee that there'd be more income for Brawl due to ranks being purchased (especially on WarZ.) Obviously there's still going to be a fair share of cheaters, but currently there is still a fair share of cheaters.

    And I'd just like to point out, that if there was a history wipe as well, it would give more players a chance to have a clean slate. I'd even consider starting off fresh and possibly attempting to go for staff, but with my history, I'm unable to. I've been banned for enjoying the game with friends and having a good time on the server. I understand why it's a protocol, and I'm not against it. But with a history wipe, I could easily see more staff applications come within a couple months.
     
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  8. Urnes

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    Almost eveything you've said here is'nt true. Technically going 'six' months without breaking the rules is slightly harder than you think. When all of your friends are playing and you want to hop on it's hard not too when you can simply install a vpn and get an alt. Even if you hop on without cheating @Eil will ban you without sufficient evidence. Personally I only cheated because I thought WarZ wouldn't exist in a week. But what do you know it's back! And the staff team is too small??? There's not a lot of ACTIVE WarZ players if you didn't notice....And there's a good amount of staff....
     
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  9. Shunziki

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    We live for this **** boyyyy
    But yea I’m with rob on this because i know jack and he’s a good person and I think he should get a second chance he’s been banned for over a year and a half and honestly you guys would gain so much if you would unban him.
    He’ll bring back with him a whole new community. Also so many players can’t play the game of warz because of being perm banned maybe if you don’t wanna unban then and agree with rob you should make a perm ban purchase fee which is like 100$ or 200$. Just an idea and I think it would work.
     
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  10. WarSkater

    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    not everyone's rich dad, if they added an unban fee, they should make it like $50-$100. If someone wants to spend their money to get unbanned, they should have the ability to do it. And if they wind up getting banned again, you guys are the ones that gain the money and they just wasted theirs.
     
  11. Lycia

    Lycia the last legit minecrafter

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    The reason we keep seeing all of the permed players alting constantly is because they realize that WarZ, or Brawl in general, is and has been on a steady decline for the last while now. There was a point in time when I had to actually fight for a spot on any WarZ server, we averaged at least a steady 80 players on all, times were good. If you wiped the slate clean: giving everyone another chance, you would surely see a rise in not only Brawls player count, but its revenue. As WarZ has and will continue to be your main source of income, it seems stupid to not at least try this idea.

    When it comes to the staff team, I can already think of a few people who would want/make great additions to the cause. If you're staff on Brawl it is literally your job to ban or enforce the required players. If one were to complain about doing such you may as well just resign, else what are you good for?

    End of Story.
    Period.
     
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  12. Shunziki

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    Let them discuss the idea first then we can discuss the amount.
    Period.
    End of story.
     
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  13. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    It doesn't matter if Triple is cheating or not. It is very clear he's not allowed on the server, under any circumstances. If he enjoys the game, that's tough - we will do whatever we can to make the game unenjoyable for him, as he has alted over 300+ times and he is not welcome back on the server.

    Then that's too bad. They'll either have to wait 6 months, or we'll keep them banned. We're under absolutely no obligation to allow permbanned players back on the server when they've already been given several chances, especially if they then continue to break the rules.

    I agree staff applications are taking too long to be resolved, I've already pushed for ArcticGalaxy to get a response soon. However, if ArcticGalaxy is promoted, she'll be JMod and won't be able to ban hackers for at least a couple of months anyway.

    You're unable to become a staff member because you have 3 rule violations in the last month. If you don't break the rules at all until February or March, your punishment history won't hold you back.

    You weren't banned for enjoying the game with friends and having a good time, you were banned for playing with a permbanned player without reporting him or making any attempt to help staff catch them. Basic common sense would tell you that that's not allowed, and the rules explicitly say that you would get banned for it.



    It's very difficult for certain people to go 6 months without breaking the rules - and we're perfectly okay with keeping these people off the server. If someone can't stop themselves from hacking, alting, or breaking more minor rules constantly, they're not welcome on the server. Let that be clear.

    If you alt, we don't need to record you hacking to ban you. Simply logging on the server is grounds for a ban.

    That's your fault and your problem. You chose to hack, you got punished for it - what do you expect us to do?

    Yes. We have 14 mods, and they're all allowed to have lives outside of Brawl. They're expected to volunteer an hour of their time a day, expecting more than that is completely unreasonable. That is not enough for us to have a moderator on 24/7, and during peak times it takes at least 2 staff to moderate the entire server. A ban wipe would require staff to be putting in a lot more time than we could reasonably expect them to.



    Sucks for them - they shouldn't have broken the rules in the first place. Their fault, their problem.

    Then why did we not see a rise in Brawl's player count after the first ban wipe we did?

    Any player increases and revenue we make would be short-term. I'd rather focus on getting better long-term player retention and clash flows in place rather than infecting the server with hackers again for a bit of money in the short-term.

    Such as who?

    We're expected to be on about an hour a day banning hackers. Not 12 hours a day. If we did a ban wipe I would continue to spend 1-2 hours a day on Brawl banning hackers, because I don't have the time to do any more than that. For a staff team of our current size to manage a ban wipe properly, we'd all have to put in about 5 hours a day to have 2-3 mods on at any given point, which is a completely unreasonable expectation.

    If I resign, no-one would be doing the hack test and we'd be getting no new Mod promotions. That's exactly what happened last time I resigned. Getting ghost client hackers banned will be even slower than it already is. I have very little free time at the moment, I'm prioritising certain responsibilities (i.e, hack test and ghost client management) over moderating in-game simply because I don't have enough time to juggle everything around at once.

    Thanks for keeping open-minded.
     
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  14. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Dude hopped on yesterday calling out who was watching him, I don't want him on the server. I've helped him enough, nothing came out of it. No matter how you put it, hes another case of a person with over 500 accounts banned. Let that sink in, just one person.
     
  15. Arabis

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    Socool You mention a lack of staff. Eil makes it his lifes mission to hunt down perm banned players so you woulden't have a problem. The man goes on from 2pm to like 5am just sitting following us arround.

    Not my fault you just enjoy watching me 24/7 it gets annoying plus you got a dev on my ass.

    You say over 500 banned accounts but letting that sink in its been over 1 and a half years that is 547.5 days meaning i havent alted eveyday I usually just alt here and now.

    Surprised you has something nice to say but ty.
     
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  16. Communications

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    socool is right he couldve been unbanned multiple times now

    if its been over a year and a half you could have gotten unbanned at least twice lmao?
     
  17. Eil

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    Since this thread is clearly aimed at certain individuals within the community, I shall base my response around them.

    • All of them were permanently banned prior to the last ban reset.
    • All of them were permanently banned again after the reset for DoX or 3+ Bans Across Accounts
    • Many were given second chances (who deserved it), particularly when WarZ was re-released
    • Of those that were given second chances, most hacked again, and were re-perm banned
    • Most of these players have been caught hacking on alts within the last week
    • Side Point: Many of the players defending individuals in this thread have in fact been hacked on by the very people they are defending, they just don't know it.

    What exactly is this proposed ban reset meant to do, other than provide yet another chance to players who have already been given countless before, when it is clear that no matter how many they are given, they won't change, and will continue to break the rules.

    The last ban reset was the first one ever on Brawl since it opened (over 4 years before the reset). We saw a huge influx of hackers (which we expected), but what was most surprising, was the people who were perm banned, and had been begging for second chances, and were thrilled at this clean slate they were being given - Hacked/DoXed again. You ask 'why blow it?', which is a very good question, but blow it they did.

    Actions have consequences, but where there is remorse and deservedness, we will give second, even third chances. However in order for that to happen, players need to demonstrate that they are able to follow the rules. In the case of perm banned players, this means not alting, and certainly not hacking for at least 6 months after their ban. Yes, it's a long time, but what should be remembered is perm bans are only given to those who have already had 3 chances, or those who have extreme violations (DoX, DDoS).
     
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    You aim it at us yet everyone defending me knows my ban was false and you still think i Dox

    You even made it easier for us to kill them I'm not sure why you wont just reset the bans you made us able to tp if you were trying to make us not enjoy the game as SoCool said why would you implement a white name tp time if you were not up for change.

    Furthermore there is one vote for no which was probably by a staff member. And you state that players get ride alonged is because the community wants me to play and others no one cares what we did or what we didint its a minecraft server played by 17 - 19 year old just grow up.
     
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  19. StrikerSly

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    Very unreasonable and speculative arguments. Also, it's clear that the community wants change. You couldn't be more wrong in saying "players supporting triple don't know he hacked on them" oh please, you're a new mod on warz we've been playing for years, there's never an instance of not knowing ****, you new wave staff members are seriously being nazis and it's killing the server
     
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  20. Communications

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    i prefer there be no cheaters in the game and if that means you cant play oh well
    Staff could be more lenient but they are right
     
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