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Idea Inflation- Zombie Pigman Spawners

Discussion in 'Raid' started by KeekerBoi, Mar 29, 2019.

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What should we do regarding the inflation of gold in raid?

  1. It's ok that gold Is being mass produced; leave it.

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  2. Nerf Zombie pigmen spawners a bit so they don't generate so much gold

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  3. Remove Zombie Pigmen spawners all together

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  1. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    When map 5 of raid was released, they added a cool new feature to the game. This feature allowed players to use xp, a dragon egg, and a mob egg of their choice to turn any spawner they want into a selected type. From what I know, at least 2 major players have used this to make huge double, triple, even quad zombie pigmen spawner grinders, that generate up to 500g an hour without any boosters! The obvious problem here is inflation. The price and rarity of a dragon egg makes the amount of players with these special warps very small. If you log on, and type /baltop, you will see the top 3 players with over 55,000g in total! this is at least 10x the amount of gold as everyone else combined! Not to mention the countless chests full of gold hidden away from sneaky players. The prices in shop have been substantially inflated, a max pick went from 120g to over 250g. Other items like potions raised from .05g to .35g!! The sad truth here is that zombie pigmen spawner's are simply too overpowered. There are 2 ways we can fix this however. One would be to simply remove zombie pigmen spawner's from raid. But another solution I personally think would work better. We can substantially decrease the amount of gold dropped by zombie pigmen, that fits around 50g an hour or so. This way, we can allow grinding with zp warps, but not let in so much gold into the economy. We are roughly 2 months into raid map 5, already, the prices of items has doubled. I greatly encourage haste in this decision to quickly nerf zp spawner's now, as the prices may be doubled, but if we don't fix this, they will probably be quintupled by the end of the map. Remember, so many people are completely poor compared to the super rich baltop 1,2, and 3 players.
     
    #1 KeekerBoi, Mar 29, 2019
  2. Colonel_Graff

    Colonel_Graff http://www.brawl.com/games/ctf/lookup/188857/

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    I’m #1 and do not have access to a mythical 4 spawner gold farm. My gold is from sales.

    The bigger problem is gold duping. I came across a chest with 11,500 gold (in gold blocks), @CalledRainer came across a vault with 80k gold. I have a hunch a lot of the gold in the economy can be traced back to duped gold.

    I also made a lot of gold by raiding water temples, since the map seed was the same and I just went to the coordinates of the temples from the last map. I brought it up to Eli and I’m guessing that if/when the map is reset, the seed will change.

    I do have access to a single spawner gold farm, but oddly enough I make more from trading the rotten flesh than from the farm itself. I’ve been waiting for the server to realize that some of the other spawners are more valuable than Pigman ones, and someone will put a skeleton spawner in the nether and realize what I mean. I’m waiting for the KOTH with 50 Whithers.

    Yes @lebronjames0 has gotten rich from Pigmen but at the risk of being tracked (which has happened multiple times). I run a lean operation, with distributed warps, and I regularly empty vaults into the shop. I also have a villager trading outpost to turn garbage items into XP and enchant, so gold farming doesn’t have that much of an impact IMO. Long term it might drive up prices, but since I dominate the shop it’s just more gold in my pocket at the end of the day.
     
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    #2 Colonel_Graff, Mar 29, 2019
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  3. CalledRainer

    CalledRainer Well-Known Member

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    I gotta say you made very objective prices. I sold 25 op picks all for 130 with has been the price since spvp. There have never been potions listed for 0.05 thats absolute bull**** 1 The cheapes potions i have ever seen were 0.2 of colonel Graff in Spvp as well (10k speed 2 pots) Of course some randoms sell 60 pots for 0.05 but thats because they dont understand the game and thats under circumstances a permananet price.


    So if you actually want to show a point be more objective maybe i will give an opinion but i definitely wont say **** if your making such a subjective biased thread as all the othrrs you made up to now.

    You cant reach something= You make a thread and say it should be changed made easier / harder
     
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    #3 CalledRainer, Mar 30, 2019
  4. KeekerBoi

    KeekerBoi Active Member

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    I like your points @CalledRainer and @Colonel_Graff , seems to make sense. Also yeah, gold duping seriously needs to be fixed. But like, you didn't see my point. Even if a lot of the inflation in baltop and shop is gold duping, a ton of it is still because of zp spawner's. Heres my biggest point @Colonel_Graff, you rightfully claim to have made your gold from shop. But the catch here is were that gold came from. I talked to lebron the other day, and he said he spent like 6K gold to buy out your shop supplies colonel. The gold lebron used to buy out your shop? all from zp spawner's. So your gold can all be traced back to the op zp spawner warp lebron has secretly been using. I get your points, but the zp spawner warps seriously gotta be nerfed. Also your point on withers, that is very screwed up, that should be completely removed. We can't have mass producing beacons and withers and all that in Koths, ty for pointing that out.
     
    #4 KeekerBoi, Mar 30, 2019
  5. Yamahoo

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    Whenever a countries government started printing money to pay for things, it did not go well. Also, as someone who gets most of there gold through mining, I feel that I do not find it to be worth the time.
     
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    #5 Yamahoo, Mar 31, 2019
  6. KeekerBoi

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    I agree, but one of my points is we don't have to remove them, we can simply nerf them to about the same gold income as mining. @Yamahoo
     
    #6 KeekerBoi, Mar 31, 2019
  7. Yamahoo

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    Sounds good
     
    #7 Yamahoo, Apr 2, 2019
  8. Colonel_Graff

    Colonel_Graff http://www.brawl.com/games/ctf/lookup/188857/

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    *sniff*

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    #8 Colonel_Graff, Apr 5, 2019
  9. CoCaptainBlue

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    1g for a pot is good, but maybe like 0.5 or 0.75
     
    #9 CoCaptainBlue, Apr 5, 2019
  10. Yamahoo

    Yamahoo Active Member

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    oh dang

    OOOH! i has idea. What if the pig man dropped gold ore instead o' gold? eh?
     
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    #10 Yamahoo, Apr 6, 2019
  11. CoCaptainBlue

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    Goood thought but that makes it more OP than it already it. For the following reasons:

    1. Currently it drops nuggets so you need 9 to make a ingot it does not drop full gold.

    2. It would mean that if you didn't auto furnace you can kill the pigmen and get XP but then get more XP from smelting the gold.

    3. It won't solve the fact that pigmen spawners give too mcuh gold beucase this is making it give more.

    (Imagine it with looting 3 and even looting 3 with mob drops booster)

    (Alternatively people would make afk ones and use alts to afk them)

    The economy on raid is slightly crtashign already which is why this thread is here, but with this it would 1005 crash the instant the first 1 or 2 people make an afk gold farm as efficient as this. It could be a double. triple or quad, I have even seen a peta-spawner but they may have been to far spaced for it to work idk I didn't try.
     
    #11 CoCaptainBlue, Apr 7, 2019
  12. AirstrikeXD

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    Btw yes pigmen do drop gold just a more rare chance than it is for a gold nugget to drop.
     
    #12 AirstrikeXD, Apr 7, 2019
  13. CoCaptainBlue

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    yeah its liek 1/3 the ratio if you convert nuggets into ingots
     
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    #13 CoCaptainBlue, Apr 7, 2019
  14. KeekerBoi

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    Honestly, the only 2 solutions i see is to make a very high nerf on them, or remove them all together
     
    #14 KeekerBoi, Apr 7, 2019
  15. CoCaptainBlue

    CoCaptainBlue Well-Known Member

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    What Carno suggested works
     
    #15 CoCaptainBlue, Apr 7, 2019
  16. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    Um, wheres the option to press : Make them like enderman eggs (Only accesable from Koth)
    Uml, remeber @hockeyxxxxxxkid he made like 100k in less than 2 months without pigman spawners even existing. I don't really see your point.
     
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    #16 TheMel0n, Apr 13, 2019
  17. AirstrikeXD

    AirstrikeXD Well-Known Member

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    Cuz Hockey be OP :grinning:
     
    #17 AirstrikeXD, Apr 13, 2019
  18. CoCaptainBlue

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    I remember, att he time he owned nearly everything is n shop in regards to: Armour, Swords and tools. If he sold all of this while also using a portal gold farm then he would have got a considerable amount of gold.
     
    #18 CoCaptainBlue, Apr 14, 2019
  19. Twhat

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    Just remove all pigmen spawners
     
    #19 Twhat, Apr 15, 2019
  20. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n 8 Year McPvPer

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    He didn't zombie pigman farm (Not spawner or portal)
     
    #20 TheMel0n, Apr 15, 2019
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