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Should grapples be removed?

Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by liqxh, Oct 21, 2019.

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Should grapples be removed?

  1. Yes

    26 vote(s)
    65.0%
  2. No

    14 vote(s)
    35.0%
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  1. liqxh

    liqxh Member

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    The title is self explanatory. Would you like to see grapples removed from WarZ?
     
  2. Atum

    Atum Ex-WarZ and Projects Admin
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    This would be a double edged sword. In my opinion, grapples are one of the main things that causes there to be such a huge skill gap. Meaning that if they were to be removed it would make it a bit player for newer players but would frustrate and possibly push away a part of the current player base.
     
  3. Rolltop

    Rolltop New Member

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    We use grapples to play the game at a faster more enjoyable pace. I'm not really wanting to go back to climbing up stuff with ladders, and trying to kill campers.
     
  4. Atum

    Atum Ex-WarZ and Projects Admin
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    @Rolltop Though that is where we all began in started to love WarZ, and we all adapted and changed once grapples were the meta using the skill we already had. This is what makes it nearly impossible for newer players to join and stay.
     
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  5. Communications

    Communications Active Member

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    why dont we make them mu ****ers as rare as diamond ?? that would make them dope to fine and make the usefullness go up while not used in every fight
     
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  6. AURailing

    AURailing Hmm

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    I have been thinking about this a lot too, at first I wasn't really feeling the idea but the more i think about it, I feel like grapples being removed would bring back the feel of a more OG WarZ, I feel like grapples being in game help for getting from place to place quicker but not being able to speed grapple a full D for an easy kill sounds fun to me. +1
     
  7. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    no grapples are fine
    this makes them more op
     
  8. Warrey

    Warrey Former WarZ Staff

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    The argument that me, liqxh and a couple staff discussed was that if we remove grapples it will be more like 2014 WarZ and MC-War where there is more about skill and tactical playing. Some players suffer from really high ping, including me which hinder us to do specific things with the grapple like grappling up on walls and on the ground which will most likely not work compared to players with better ping.

    When there is a ten man team behind you @liqxh had a really good point that if none of you had a grapple it would be more fair than the others having a grapple and their enemy not. At the same time the guy might be an EU player but with lag. I think this will really improve WarZ in a wayto get a more tactical play.

    There will also be more fights spread out across the map simply because it’s not the same easy to move which means the fights take longer and are more advanced and at the same time other teams can go to another place without getting grappled rushed by a huge team who were actually going to Snow from Indust Echest. This idea will make it so much easier for new players to understand and work up a skill based gameplay without anyone having advantage because of their loot and ping.

    Thank you,
    - Warrey
     
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    #8 Warrey, Oct 22, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2019
  9. dalt0n

    dalt0n Well-Known Member

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    +1, Trial it and see if people enjoy the changes. The whole idea of no grapples is to show a higher skill range instead of sorting out who has the best ping. Thank you for bringing this to a poll.
     
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  10. lilmatsko

    lilmatsko Warz Noob

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    Grapples are nice, but I do prefer the slower gameplay of back in the day. Maybe they could be reworked or something.
     
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  11. NMHRODMAN1SBEST

    NMHRODMAN1SBEST WarZ | Ex Staff

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    Yes. Grapples were designed for movement on a large scale but are now being used for micro-movement. Removing grapples makes for an overall better experience for both veterans and new players.
     
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  12. WarSkater

    WarSkater Rob // MC-WarZ Hardcore Crafter

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    Like Dalton said, have a trial period. I'd say remove them when WarZ Free Fridays and events are in full effect, and see how the community handles the change for a few weeks.
     
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  13. Communications

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    why not keep them but make them really rare like it would have the best of both worlds without grapples every fight
    and it would utilize echest space
     
  14. NMHRODMAN1SBEST

    NMHRODMAN1SBEST WarZ | Ex Staff

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    This would only make them better. As soon as a good player gets their hands on one, it'll be hard to beat them without one. The whole idea is to level the playing field.
     
  15. iamdroone

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    Utilization of a grappling hook makes the game very fast paced, but I think the game would also be more fun without grappes in my opinion as it shows ones true skill in fights without grappling away every 5 seconds.
     
  16. Communications

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    grapple cooldown 1 minute so we can still grapple up to places
     
  17. NMHRODMAN1SBEST

    NMHRODMAN1SBEST WarZ | Ex Staff

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    Still doesn't remove the ability to micro-move. As I've previously stated, that's the games primary use of grapples.
     
  18. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    easy fix yall *****s retarded for not coming upo with it:

    grapples only work if theres an elevation difference of 2+ blocks
    boom solved kappaNoKapa
    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Unhole

    Unhole New Member

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    Removing grapples is idiotic. Adapt to the fast play style that allows for easier clutches, and better clips, or leave. It's not hard to throw a grapple at half blocks and the ground. High ping players abuse grapples just like 20ms players do. Ghost peaking around corners with a grapple is insane. We removed grapples once before, and the server died again.
     
  20. lilmatsko

    lilmatsko Warz Noob

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    In the grand scheme of it it doesn't matter if they're in or not, It's just preference. Also, wanting them gone doesn't mean that person doesn't know how to use them.
     
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