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The Misuse of /alts - A Solution

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by StrikerSly, Mar 30, 2020.

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  1. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    Note: This thread is not leaking any staff-sensitive information whatsoever as this has already been discussed multiple times between players and current staff members.


    Overview
    /alts is a command that can be used by all staff to determine the alternate accounts a player has logged on Brawl with, where the depth of the command is based on the staff member's rank (JMOD gets the lowest depth). Currently, JMOD/MODs can use the command to see which accounts those players are linked to, and their ban status (unbanned, permbanned etc.)

    There is obviously an issue with that. If a player wants to remain anonymous to fellow players, they should be allowed to. I will go over some of the reasons for that later. The reason I bring up this idea is because staff have been misusing the command from its original, intended use. This thread solves that.


    The Problem
    Situation: player12345 wants to anonymously alt on WarZ (for many possible reasons). staffmember123 is team with other non-staff players. staffmember123 grows suspicious of player12345 considering he is "new" and is good at the game. staffmember123 is also in a Discord call with his team; performs /alts on the player, "don't worry guys I know who it is". staffmember123 is also a JMOD, potentially even a MOD, who has not yet deserved to garner the level of trust needed for such a command. Now, they can leak who the player is against their wishes.

    Why Alt?
    - A player may have a banned account and they want to start on a clean slate.
    - A player may have been bullied on their previous account and would want to escape that.
    - A player may want to have fun anonymously without any social bias.
    - A player may want to start on a fresh account to see how well their stats can get.

    It is not valid to argue against this idea that players don't have to alt. The same effectiveness in /alts can be achieved with an entire rework of the command.


    The Solution
    To maintain a player's privacy (since Brawl is very keen on the protection of one's privacy), a rework of the command is required.

    - The command is only available to JMOD+ (those who have not passed trial stage do not receive access)

    - For JMOD/MODs, upon issuing a /alts [player], we have 2 conditionals:
    1.) If the [player] has 3+ banned accounts linked (or) [player] has 1+ permbanned account linked, then
    send a flag to a staff Discord channel that only SMOD+ have access to, since only SMOD+ can even act given the current protocol on permbanning someone (which is the only ultimate goal of the command anyway)
    2.) If [player] does not fulfill the above requirements (or) [player] has already been /alt'ed in the past 12 hours, no flag is sent to the Discord channel and a reminder message is sent to the staff member that the command has already been called on that player

    - Optionally, the command may return the number of unbanned/temp-banned/banned/permbanned accounts linked to [player] but not any other information.

    - For SMOD+, the function of /alts remains the exact same

    Why this is Better than the Current System
    Currently, staff have to execute /alts on a player and manually report it to a Discord server. This is slow and obsolete. The staff member also has currently the choice to report the issue which is not efficient in case they were meaning to and forgot, or they had an ulterior motive :wink:

    This system allows for more automation and organization (since many staff do not follow the correct format in the channels anyway) as well as provide the necessary information to SMOD+ to take action. To paraphrase, it performs the same task that's more encapsulated and efficient than the current system.

    A final point would be that less staff members have the ability to abuse this perm which makes enforcing staff abuse easier. Ideally, many of these commands should be foolproof but that's for another time.
     
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  2. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    Just a clarification without judging this idea: All staff members are required to treat information obtained through the use of /alt confidentially and not to share it with non-staff members. Abusing it to gain information about random players and sharing this information is a violation of staff protocol and it can and has lead to demotions.
     
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  3. Mnkynoodles

    Mnkynoodles ur mother

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    Wouldn't it be hard to track that down if people show screenshots over private DMs on discord? There's no possible way to access dms between 2 specific users unless the account is hacked or its the owner of the accounts right?


    EDIT: like if a staff knows it and tells their friend, but the friend doesn't say anything in game or just says they guessed etc.
     
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  4. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    Yeah if I remember correctly, the staff usually don't check PMs but rather staff-commands issued. So you could get away with doing a genuine /alts check but also sneakily telling your close friend the details. Rokes definitely right on his clarification on my comments about the staff team. I do think this idea would help in that department however.
     
  5. Versions

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    we can check PMs, but it can sometimes be impossible to track down who told who, as the details can be shared over other platforms (e.g. Discord)
     
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  6. tallscot

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    The main reason this thread was created is because JMODs HAVE been leaking this information without anything but a warning. Several JMODs have been reported with valid evidence with MULTIPLE instances of it happening and they're still allowed access to the command. That's the issue at hand currently.
     
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  7. StrikerSly

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    Thanks for the clarification. Since it's impossible to track who told who, it makes sense to prevent this altogether rather than attempt to find the abusers.
     
  8. Mnkynoodles

    Mnkynoodles ur mother

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    Yeah I meant like over diff platforms, sorry for any mixups ^^
     
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    *eats popcorn

    Already seen it been abused on more that just WarZ, I have heard in discord calls about some alts being listed out, seen in team discords, and seen them pmed to players without them getting punished for it. So saying that messages can been seen by higher ups doesnt fix it when they dont check as is and the players that get it dmed in game dont report it.
     
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  10. Lord_Roke

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    Could you please elaborate what you mean with valid evidence?
     
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    kappa
     
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  12. Mnkynoodles

    Mnkynoodles ur mother

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    Its a high possibility, Moist was a mod just as of recently and long before.
     
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  13. Sparrowx

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    This needs to be changed 100%. /alts should never have been given to JMODS. One recently abused the command against me and my alt, messaging me in game about my identity. They don’t have the perms to do anything with it, so its an obvious invitation to abuse it and gain information. There is relatively no debate on this topic.
     
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  15. Mnkynoodles

    Mnkynoodles ur mother

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    upload_2020-4-1_10-3-29.png . He has been staff until recent and just resigned again about 2 weeks ago. Things change you realize that right?


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    Videos of JMODs revealing alts in public chat (and then clearing chat), multiple screenshots of them doing it
     
  18. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    It's crazy because the JMods who do that literally pm the person like they're friends. Literally one of my team members logged in with his alt to have a JMod pm him by using his name and saying "Hi" yet the indentity of the person was never revealed... If you /alt it should be to see if the person has permbanned accounts, I think there should be a stricter policy when it comes to this. Track every /alt and any single one that doesn't seem right there should be some questions. More importantly, track all JMod activity that aren't warnings. This involves kicks, etc. I'm sorry but I'll say it personally that I'm not impressed by the selection of Jmods right now. Some of them have such a bad history and still proved recently they didn't deserve any type of promotion but the new system allowed them a chance and we then reach this point where we have issues with them. I put up more effort than every single JMod when I cared about suggesting anything lol
     
  19. Mnkynoodles

    Mnkynoodles ur mother

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    kappa basically means cap in slang term so you confused me
     
  20. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. Also, I see that you voted 'with tweaks' in the poll, are there any things you'd like to suggest that would add to or change this idea?
     
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